How do I compare amps?
Truest in the sense that they garantee a minimum output. But the amp can still be severly underated. You can have a CEA rating of 50watts x 4 but the amp actually produces more. It's only good for minimum.
Here is a great example, the RF 25 to life. This is a birth certificate of the power 1000 CEA rated at 50 watts X 4 for the front channels as can be seen here on their web site:
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/produ..._id=101755&loc
Here is a great example, the RF 25 to life. This is a birth certificate of the power 1000 CEA rated at 50 watts X 4 for the front channels as can be seen here on their web site:
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/produ..._id=101755&loc
with some research, I sorta answered my question.
in 2003 kicker had a kx150.2 rated at 38wX2 RMS at 13.8V and 0.085%THD.
in 2004 kicker had a kx150.2 rated at 60wX2 RMS at 14.4V and 1%THD (with the CAE-2006 standard).
So my 30wX2 is probably more like 50wX2 or so with the CAE-2006 standard.
in 2003 kicker had a kx150.2 rated at 38wX2 RMS at 13.8V and 0.085%THD.
in 2004 kicker had a kx150.2 rated at 60wX2 RMS at 14.4V and 1%THD (with the CAE-2006 standard).
So my 30wX2 is probably more like 50wX2 or so with the CAE-2006 standard.
I was just trying to compare apples to apples. I didn't want precise numbers but a good guess. I sorta answered my question in my quote.
Actually, if I remember correctly, I read somewhere, that CEA-2006 is on the nose rating. Rating something conservatively, or underrating would be missing the whole point. Like I see your Fosgate sheet, and it says it is rated 150x4, but CEA rated it honestly at 106x4. My Steg is rated 245x2, and their CEA rating is 255x2. It seems, that according to CEA some amps are underrated, so are overrated, that's why CEA is there to clear up the manufacturer's BS. I also, found some anecdotal evidence of my Steg doing 267 watts a side in a test by a customer, but he also rated it at 69% efficiency, which is pretty hard to swallow, as it is an AB Class amp, so I figured something fishy was going on, maybe there was hidden agenda happening.
Truest in the sense that they garantee a minimum output. But the amp can still be severly underated. You can have a CEA rating of 50watts x 4 but the amp actually produces more. It's only good for minimum.
Here is a great example, the RF 25 to life. This is a birth certificate of the power 1000 CEA rated at 50 watts X 4 for the front channels as can be seen here on their web site:
Rockford Fosgate® - Power1000

Here is a great example, the RF 25 to life. This is a birth certificate of the power 1000 CEA rated at 50 watts X 4 for the front channels as can be seen here on their web site:
Rockford Fosgate® - Power1000

Last edited by Sasha; Sep 6, 2008 at 01:46 PM.
with some research, I sorta answered my question.
in 2003 kicker had a kx150.2 rated at 38wX2 RMS at 13.8V and 0.085%THD.
in 2004 kicker had a kx150.2 rated at 60wX2 RMS at 14.4V and 1%THD (with the CAE-2006 standard).
So my 30wX2 is probably more like 50wX2 or so with the CAE-2006 standard.
in 2003 kicker had a kx150.2 rated at 38wX2 RMS at 13.8V and 0.085%THD.
in 2004 kicker had a kx150.2 rated at 60wX2 RMS at 14.4V and 1%THD (with the CAE-2006 standard).
So my 30wX2 is probably more like 50wX2 or so with the CAE-2006 standard.
Voltage.
60W \ 14.4V = 4.166666A
So lets plug that into the old voltage and see what happenes
4.166666A x 13.8V = 57.5W
Bottome line those amps will make the exact same power at the same voltage. I am sure that random THD figure will also be very similar for both at the same output.
Actually the first amp should be exactly 60 watts with the CEa rating. The difference?
Voltage.
60W \ 14.4V = 4.166666A
So lets plug that into the old voltage and see what happenes
4.166666A x 13.8V = 57.5W
Bottome line those amps will make the exact same power at the same voltage. I am sure that random THD figure will also be very similar for both at the same output.
Voltage.
60W \ 14.4V = 4.166666A
So lets plug that into the old voltage and see what happenes
4.166666A x 13.8V = 57.5W
Bottome line those amps will make the exact same power at the same voltage. I am sure that random THD figure will also be very similar for both at the same output.
I was trying to show the difference between the old way and the new way that Kicker rated the same amp with different THD figures!
why don't you just hook them both up and use the one that sounds best to you. Or you could just use the new one as it's probably been abused less. As for comparing by the numbers just because somthing is tested using CEA standards doesn't mean the numbers aren't skewed in some way. It just means that anything tested with those standards is tested the same way. There really isn't a way to compare the old testing standards to CEA. Use them both and keep the one you like best!
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