Who said I haven't heard a Type R? That is a big assumption my friend, and a very ignorant one at that. I helped install a Type R woofer in my friend's Z34 a year or so ago in a sealed enclosure. I also tried it in a ported enclosure before he sold it a few months later. I prefer the W6v2 in both setups because it plays deeper and more accurately than the Type R.

As for the Type R build quality, I am talking about blown voice coils in particular. There have been several members on this board that have encountered such problems. You yourself said "type r's for some reason take a ****kicking on this site," so you have in fact already acknowledged that Type Rs have a bad rep. Do a search on the forums and you will find what I am talking about in case you have forgotten since your previous post.

Obviously you are an Alpine woofer fanatic because 1) You are claiming it to be on par with the W6v2 (Which it is not based on sound, quality, perception, and price. The W3 would be a more accurate comparison to a Type R IMO) and 2) You are an authorized Alpine dealer.

You can not compare the 2 woofers as they are simply not on the same level. Sure 2 Type R's will get louder, but the W6v2 will sound better, with deeper and more accurate bass in both sealed and ported applications. Furthermore, for daily driving applications with these setups, you probably wouldn't be turning up the volume enough to notice a difference in loudness unless you had hearing problems.

JL has a VERY solid reputation in woofers, and you will not find very many cases where build quality was an issue (other than on the older woofers with the paper gaskets tearing off). Other than the gasket issue, I don't EVER recall reading a post about a faulty JL woofer.

Alpine does have a solid rep, but it is not so highly regarded in woofers, especially compared to JL.

[ October 17, 2004, 08:52 PM: Message edited by: Kool ]

 

I agree, I once gave 2 12" W0 woofers 300rms each for 3 weeks in a daily driver, I drove around at 135db all the time with there entry level subs, at 2.5 times its rated power, and they never crapped out on me. I am actually suprised how they took that abuse, looked like the cone was gonna fly out of the box.

 

I don't think the W6 motor was optamized the same way the W7 was...

But I'll agree that the W6 probably has greater BL linearity and less distortion caused by le. compaired to a typeR

This is just an assumption, though...

 

I never said I used it in my first post, yet you ignorantly assumed I had not. Ask first next time.

Did you not read I tried in in different applications, once in a sealed after initial installation, and once after removal before he sold it? I did NOT base it on one experience. You should AT LEAST assume 2 experiences here if you read my entire post closely. And besides, do you think I was never in my friend's car again after it was installed? Another ignorant assumption. I am in fact qualified to make this comparison as I DO have experience with both woofers.

In regards to build quality, looking at posts around various forums is in fact valid. It is actually marketing research on product quality. While it is quite possible that some of the people experiencing those problems had no idea what they were doing, do you not think there would at least be a few such cases with JL woofers?

Your arguments are flawed Defro.

Email me at dan.b1@rogers.com if you wish to argue any further in private.

[ October 17, 2004, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: Kool ]

 

I own both a 12W6v2 and 12W7 and have run both on a JL 500/1 amp. They sound the exact same to me at this power rating when compared in similar size boxes. The efficiency ratings of the 2 drivers is slightly different, so I suppose if I were to meter the 2 setups the W7 would get slightly louder since it is slightly more efficient. However I don't play my music loud enough to distinguish that difference.

 

dude yeah, i ran an alpine mrv-t757 on 2 12w0's 2 ohm bridged i believe. they handled every ounce of it.

 

Hey Guys,

Sorry to have sparked the debate here. Thanks for the feedback. Both are great subs and I will have some hard thinking ahead. Someone made a good point that at daily driving volumes, I might not hear the difference. Maybe I should run out to Radio Shack and see what they have got based on this new thought. Then again...fridge magnets, some paper mache, weather stripping...

 

Will, when I made that point I was referring to loudness. While 2 12" Type R's will likely be louder than a single W6v2 at max power due to double the cone area, the additional volume will not be noticed unless you do listen at max volume. However, that is very unlikely as you would be deaf

In terms of SQ, you will notice a difference as the W6v2 plays deeper and more accurately in both sealed and ported applications.

[ October 18, 2004, 09:31 AM: Message edited by: Kool ]

 

^^^ Also, a little friendly debate is always healthy for the forums [img]smile.gif[/img]