Advice on new build please
12-13-2007, 09:46 PM
#22
No offence intended but to me it looks as though you have the classic champagne taste and beer budget going on here. It also seems that you are willing to gamble your $ on ordering stuff out of the US market based on a spec or price and who knows what if any level of service yet seemingly unwilling to drive 30km to a dealer that might be able to take care of your needs or sit down with you to fulfill them. Your arguement of not being able to hear things in the local store goes out the window with the ordering on line thing, to put that into perspective. Put that spec sheet up to your ear and tell me how it sounds. A spec is not going to tell you how it sounds to you in your car.
Yes some of the mainstream stuff may not be right for your application, then again though, perhaps it may be. There is lots of stuff to choose from in the CDN marketplace. The trick is to find the right match of equipment to do this with. There are a whole pile of CDN specialty dealers on this site, how many have you contacted for advice? I know I have not talked with you yet. You have options, take your time and do some more talking with the people who can help you. Find a dealer that is willing and able to work with you for your application.
As a Eclipse dealer, Eclipse can't give away that ugly navigation unit, my suggestion is to step back from it and look at a good tried and true head unit that supports USB and IPOD, the Pioneer Premiere DEHP690UB comes to mind here. Again, no offence intended here, I just want you to step back and look at this again from the outside looking in. Slow down some and do it right the first time.
Yes some of the mainstream stuff may not be right for your application, then again though, perhaps it may be. There is lots of stuff to choose from in the CDN marketplace. The trick is to find the right match of equipment to do this with. There are a whole pile of CDN specialty dealers on this site, how many have you contacted for advice? I know I have not talked with you yet. You have options, take your time and do some more talking with the people who can help you. Find a dealer that is willing and able to work with you for your application.
As a Eclipse dealer, Eclipse can't give away that ugly navigation unit, my suggestion is to step back from it and look at a good tried and true head unit that supports USB and IPOD, the Pioneer Premiere DEHP690UB comes to mind here. Again, no offence intended here, I just want you to step back and look at this again from the outside looking in. Slow down some and do it right the first time.
12-13-2007, 09:57 PM
#24
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Ok, this shouldnt turn into an arguement...
@MR2NR
This business of "champagne taste and beer budget" could be true. I've never paid more than 50c for a beer in my life until i moved to Canada.
I think you misunderstood, when i said i was going to order that stuff this weekend. I will never order sound equipment I have never heard. Thats just being foolish. I hoped to have found a place to try it out, so i could order it.
And last note, I will buy from the US as long as its cheaper than Canada.
I'll drop in at Shamuz's (the place thats 30km away), i'm just waiting for the weather to die down, its been snowing like crazy for the last couple of weeks here. Every day I got dig out my car.
I don't understand what you meant by "Eclipse can't give away that ugly navigation unit"
And yes, I went through the list of vendors on this site, wasnt many. None in Ottawa.
@MR2NR
This business of "champagne taste and beer budget" could be true. I've never paid more than 50c for a beer in my life until i moved to Canada.
I think you misunderstood, when i said i was going to order that stuff this weekend. I will never order sound equipment I have never heard. Thats just being foolish. I hoped to have found a place to try it out, so i could order it.
And last note, I will buy from the US as long as its cheaper than Canada.
I'll drop in at Shamuz's (the place thats 30km away), i'm just waiting for the weather to die down, its been snowing like crazy for the last couple of weeks here. Every day I got dig out my car.
I don't understand what you meant by "Eclipse can't give away that ugly navigation unit"
And yes, I went through the list of vendors on this site, wasnt many. None in Ottawa.
12-13-2007, 10:08 PM
#25
Eclipse is having a hard time selling that unit to dealers is what I was saying. I know that there is no way no how that I would order it for a customer unless they were 100% sure that it was what they wanted and it 100% suited their application.
I understand the $ difference between the US and Canada, all I can say is get ready for some nasty surprises when the package arrives..... shipping is way more, service is way less and warranty in Canada is ZERO.
Advertising costs $, most shops in Canada concetrate on other avenues of business. I am in a small city, this avenue is one that works for me and it shows that I am a leader in the i-trader section.
Do it once and do it right, if it means going to a better set of speakers and dropping the amp for now, do it. You can always add the amp later on but buy the wrong amp or wrong speakers now just because it is your budget, well, that means that you are going to spend way more $ in the long run.
Most shops will not install something into your car (and it sounds way different in a display in a store), then take it out (and not charge you for the time of course) and allow you to go to something different. Then they have a open box set of speakers or cd player that they now have to sell at a loss, would you pay the $ difference to them for that loss? Would you pay full price for a "demo" set of speakers that someone else had tried in their car and did not like or would you expect a deal on the "demo" set. The dealer has a business to run, what you are hoping for maybe a handfull of dealers in this business will do for the best of customers. As I said, find a good reputable dealer, put together a game plan and come out with a highly predictable outcome.
I understand the $ difference between the US and Canada, all I can say is get ready for some nasty surprises when the package arrives..... shipping is way more, service is way less and warranty in Canada is ZERO.
Advertising costs $, most shops in Canada concetrate on other avenues of business. I am in a small city, this avenue is one that works for me and it shows that I am a leader in the i-trader section.
Do it once and do it right, if it means going to a better set of speakers and dropping the amp for now, do it. You can always add the amp later on but buy the wrong amp or wrong speakers now just because it is your budget, well, that means that you are going to spend way more $ in the long run.
Most shops will not install something into your car (and it sounds way different in a display in a store), then take it out (and not charge you for the time of course) and allow you to go to something different. Then they have a open box set of speakers or cd player that they now have to sell at a loss, would you pay the $ difference to them for that loss? Would you pay full price for a "demo" set of speakers that someone else had tried in their car and did not like or would you expect a deal on the "demo" set. The dealer has a business to run, what you are hoping for maybe a handfull of dealers in this business will do for the best of customers. As I said, find a good reputable dealer, put together a game plan and come out with a highly predictable outcome.
12-13-2007, 10:15 PM
#26
[QUOTE=cruiseoveride;288076] I hoped to have found a place to try it out, so i could order it.
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This is a total kick in the junk as well. Using a CDN business that employs people, brings product in, displays it, talks with you, perhaps even install it in their display board for you to listen to and then have you go somewhere else and buy it from someone who does not offer you this same service...... I know that if a person comes into my store like this that the door they just came in is the very door that I will ask them to go right back out. Time for you to consider placing some value in the people and businesses in Canada that can do this for you. I know that I do not work for free, do you?
This is a big time beef of mine and my response is not directed at you but more of a general response for all.
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This is a total kick in the junk as well. Using a CDN business that employs people, brings product in, displays it, talks with you, perhaps even install it in their display board for you to listen to and then have you go somewhere else and buy it from someone who does not offer you this same service...... I know that if a person comes into my store like this that the door they just came in is the very door that I will ask them to go right back out. Time for you to consider placing some value in the people and businesses in Canada that can do this for you. I know that I do not work for free, do you?
This is a big time beef of mine and my response is not directed at you but more of a general response for all.
12-13-2007, 10:36 PM
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I agree with you.
If i ran a business in Canada, and people just walked in to sample products, and went and bought it online. I would be pretty broke, let alone a tad frustrated.
However, now looking at it from the Consumer's point of view, Canadian prices are just ridiculous, if it was say 10% more than US prices, i would buy in Canada, for the piece of mind, that if it breaks, i can get a replacement, and plus i get the customer service. But this is not the case, prices here are at a minimum of 35% more than the states.
A good example, was when I bought my 2nd car, I went to a few dealers in town, and the cheapest one i could find was $65k, While the average price on autotrader.com was only $26k. So i went to Long Island, and stayed with my aunt for a few days, found a car, bought it in her name, and she transfered it into my name after i drove back to Canada. I saved $30k by buying in the states.
Another example, a friend of mine wanted to buy a motorcycle. And this particular bike was $13k at the local dealer. While the MSRP itself in the states was only 10k, let alone the actual retail prices. A little research, and we found that the Canadian models, are actually brought in through the states. No wonder the 30% price difference, they have to cover for import duty. Why can't the bikes come straight to Canada? Canada has a port unlike the many European or African countries that are forced to import from their neighbors.
I encourage people to buy from the US. Let the Canadian business learn to be competitive. Adapt to changing economy or close down. Simple as that. There is far to much money chasing far to few goods in Canada.
If i ran a business in Canada, and people just walked in to sample products, and went and bought it online. I would be pretty broke, let alone a tad frustrated.
However, now looking at it from the Consumer's point of view, Canadian prices are just ridiculous, if it was say 10% more than US prices, i would buy in Canada, for the piece of mind, that if it breaks, i can get a replacement, and plus i get the customer service. But this is not the case, prices here are at a minimum of 35% more than the states.
A good example, was when I bought my 2nd car, I went to a few dealers in town, and the cheapest one i could find was $65k, While the average price on autotrader.com was only $26k. So i went to Long Island, and stayed with my aunt for a few days, found a car, bought it in her name, and she transfered it into my name after i drove back to Canada. I saved $30k by buying in the states.
Another example, a friend of mine wanted to buy a motorcycle. And this particular bike was $13k at the local dealer. While the MSRP itself in the states was only 10k, let alone the actual retail prices. A little research, and we found that the Canadian models, are actually brought in through the states. No wonder the 30% price difference, they have to cover for import duty. Why can't the bikes come straight to Canada? Canada has a port unlike the many European or African countries that are forced to import from their neighbors.
I encourage people to buy from the US. Let the Canadian business learn to be competitive. Adapt to changing economy or close down. Simple as that. There is far to much money chasing far to few goods in Canada.
12-13-2007, 11:24 PM
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I would add my caution to Sony products. I ordered from the US a deck that was about $300 Cdn with S/N ratio of 120. Sounded deadly on paper. That was a year ago, and I just unloaded that deck recently for 25% of what I paid for it. I replaced it with an Alpine 9887 that simply blew it away in every department. I wasted $225, ordering sight unseen is risky.
But I did it again with the Alpine, although I researched it and listened to it in a store first. That deck was $450 in Canada and $320 at a US webstore. With a dollar that is about par, I just can't understand that. Also got some Stinger rca's at less than half of what they cost up here. Also some Dynamat at half the price.
I'd like to support Cdn business, but until Cdn prices get closer to American ones, I feel like I'm getting ripped off buying up here. I'll take my chances with warranty issues.
But I did it again with the Alpine, although I researched it and listened to it in a store first. That deck was $450 in Canada and $320 at a US webstore. With a dollar that is about par, I just can't understand that. Also got some Stinger rca's at less than half of what they cost up here. Also some Dynamat at half the price.
I'd like to support Cdn business, but until Cdn prices get closer to American ones, I feel like I'm getting ripped off buying up here. I'll take my chances with warranty issues.
12-15-2007, 09:19 AM
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You dont have to listen to my advice but i would go oldschool car audio look on Ebay you can find alot of good stuff i wouldnt touch new car audio these days it's not the same and built quality is crap.
Sony is good but it was better when it was made in Japan like Alpine.
Sony is good but it was better when it was made in Japan like Alpine.
