but how do you sort through the claims made by people who do know what they are doing and those that do not?

send out car audio private investigators to talk to the guys friends, and sneak pics of their car at night?

it supports the authorized dealers by encouraging consumers to buy at the dealer at full retail price and having installed by reputable techs that the store and manufacturer instill a level of faith in.

it reduces the claims made resulting from improper installs etc.

whats more is that i have heard great things, for example, about eclipse.

i guy i work with had his eclipse deck (not sure which model but a nice one) stolen and eclipse gave him a new one just like that because he bought it from the dealer and paid upwards of $1000 with full warranty.

that makes me want to spend $1000 on an eclipse deck. </font>[/QUOTE]...and you don't always have to pay retail on stuff at authorized dealers. Right now, the local shop has a clearance on JL 12W3s(not V2s). They had some around and are clearing them out for US$149. I doubt that price could be beaten, even online(especially once an online company gets you on shipping). As for the Eclipse thing, they make excellent decks, and their theft warranty(only for 1 year though) is nice.

i just sold that same 12W3 in a custom built to spec sealed enclosure for way less than that...

sorry. off topic.

so yeah anyways...

brand new 12W3?

Eclipse
JL
Rockford

Point of example, and no offense, but there have been quite a few questions/comments from DIY-ers that had me shaking my head in wonder. Some scarey questions put forth at times.

The other exciting point is actual installers that don't know what they are doing. Nothing worse then dropping money in a store/shop for an install, talking to a head installers who gives a great dog and pony show because he's been around the block a zillion times but then he hands off your car to the local high school rookie while he sits on his can providing less then zero supervision. [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

Where oh where have I seen this? :eek: ;) Isn't this how all shops work, LOL. It seems that at some places you have to be a VIP to get the head installer working on your car.

^ A sad but true fact of life. [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img]

Hell, they let me work on cars :eek:

[ June 26, 2003, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: Dukk ]

the reason they have one of the lower installers do it is because all the higher ones have retired
who qualifies you to judge what a shop does
you should do your homework and not just brush it all black
all people who work for a living start out at the bottom
did you start out midway or the top

Where oh where have I seen this? :eek: ;) Isn't this how all shops work, LOL. It seems that at some places you have to be a VIP to get the head installer working on your car. </font>[/QUOTE]hey dr.

saw you in the new pasmag... you were looking sexy

errr. i mean your amps were looking sexy... yeah thats what i meant to say

Some of the higher ones are either too full of themselves to do the simple stuff or have quit to find a real job that actually pays money. I don't know of hardly any installers that can truly "retire" and still pay bills and put food on the table.

Who brushed it all black ?!?!?! What post are you reading!??! And trust me, I'm no expert, but I'm qualified to judge a POS install as I do it all the time for IASCA. Maybe you should do your homework before you open your pie-hole.

That's not the point. If you actually read the post before shooting your mouth off, you would have noticed the point about supervision. The point was a "lack" of supervision for rookies. I wouldn't want my car worked on by an unsupervised high school rookie. I've fixed enough of those car in past to know how scarey some people's skills are. Are you one of those people ?!?!?!?