cock a dutie due....
12-01-2009, 03:05 PM
#21
Ya know Jordy, right, wrong or indifferent when it comes to supporting the Canadian B&M's where would the competitors be if the B&M's ceased to exist.
Not too many Best Buys hold comps.
Lastly, if a small distributor such as myself can adjust prices to be at par why are we not seeing more of the same?
Not too many Best Buys hold comps.
Lastly, if a small distributor such as myself can adjust prices to be at par why are we not seeing more of the same?
FS used to have the house of boom shows.
I'm wondering how many of the site vendors here have held a show in the last year.
In my experience... competitors would be in pretty much the same place if shops didn't hold the shows. Most of the ones I went to this year weren't held by shops but rather individual promoters like FO SPL and Psychoacoustics
12-01-2009, 03:18 PM
#22
Best buy held a comp last year in Kingston as a "dry run" for getting something set up for next year.
FS used to have the house of boom shows.
I'm wondering how many of the site vendors here have held a show in the last year.
In my experience... competitors would be in pretty much the same place if shops didn't hold the shows. Most of the ones I went to this year weren't held by shops but rather individual promoters like FO SPL and Psychoacoustics
FS used to have the house of boom shows.
I'm wondering how many of the site vendors here have held a show in the last year.
In my experience... competitors would be in pretty much the same place if shops didn't hold the shows. Most of the ones I went to this year weren't held by shops but rather individual promoters like FO SPL and Psychoacoustics
12-01-2009, 03:18 PM
#23
Awesome, I will keep this short and sweet.
1- I personally prefer to buy my audio gear at local shops.
2- 90% of my gear in my mustang install is from a shop, the rest online where I did save 50% over the cost from a retailer who 'discounted' me because im awesome. That is 50% savings from the just over cost from them. The product was RockFord Fosgate. None has blown up, all came with warranty to my knowledge, but if it were to blow up I could buy 2 for the price of 1. That is a reality. This is not the consumers or the sites fault.
3- For performance mods I buy ALL my items from Summitracing, US. No local shop can offer the support or price breaks that Summitracing can. I will pay a local shop for install only.
4- Vendors pay to advertise, nothing more, nothing less. No one pays enough for it to be hush money. Rob is a good supporting vendor and if I had to save $10 between him and US, I would go to him just for his knowledge alone. His and others information does have a value to it.
5- Vendors cover essentially all costs of this site, not subscribers. If there were more subscribers, there would be less ads. eBay Electronics is our biggest site supporter, period. Not Clarion, Forbidden or Selective.
6- There should be a sticky of the pros and cons of buying online and from the US. Perhaps this is something Rob and Jordy could write up and it could become a sticky. This should be done because the scare tactics posts are so tired. Buyer beware. We educate and we offer a database for searching. Again, sticky would be a great idea.
7- CCA is about the enthusiast 1st.
1- I personally prefer to buy my audio gear at local shops.
2- 90% of my gear in my mustang install is from a shop, the rest online where I did save 50% over the cost from a retailer who 'discounted' me because im awesome. That is 50% savings from the just over cost from them. The product was RockFord Fosgate. None has blown up, all came with warranty to my knowledge, but if it were to blow up I could buy 2 for the price of 1. That is a reality. This is not the consumers or the sites fault.
3- For performance mods I buy ALL my items from Summitracing, US. No local shop can offer the support or price breaks that Summitracing can. I will pay a local shop for install only.
4- Vendors pay to advertise, nothing more, nothing less. No one pays enough for it to be hush money. Rob is a good supporting vendor and if I had to save $10 between him and US, I would go to him just for his knowledge alone. His and others information does have a value to it.
5- Vendors cover essentially all costs of this site, not subscribers. If there were more subscribers, there would be less ads. eBay Electronics is our biggest site supporter, period. Not Clarion, Forbidden or Selective.
6- There should be a sticky of the pros and cons of buying online and from the US. Perhaps this is something Rob and Jordy could write up and it could become a sticky. This should be done because the scare tactics posts are so tired. Buyer beware. We educate and we offer a database for searching. Again, sticky would be a great idea.
7- CCA is about the enthusiast 1st.
12-01-2009, 03:20 PM
#24
Hell we even paid to up the DB Drag to a 3X event at the Orangeville show.
Last edited by LarryW.; 12-01-2009 at 05:34 PM. Reason: sp
12-01-2009, 05:13 PM
#25
yah yah I forgot. you guys are pretty awesome too. Thank you for all the support and dedication this past season!
12-01-2009, 06:18 PM
#26
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Both Jordy&MR2NR state facts that are true, but this argument went to personal.
This is my deciding factor when buying online:
This is my deciding factor when buying online:
if it were to blow up I could buy 2 for the price of 1. That is a reality.
12-01-2009, 07:02 PM
#27
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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Car audio products can be a very good price online and from the states but from personal experience I would go to a dealer in my own country every time. MR2NR has been more than excellent in terms of service, knowledge of car audio, and pricing.
I can relate to this thread as just recently my Bassworx speaker amp and Pioneer 12' shallow mount I had for 6 months malfunctioned and MR2NR immediately gave me directions for replacing them as warranty with no headaches making it a very easy process. He even called Pioneer himself as they refused me service and is sending me the warranty sub from his own stock. Stuff breaks no matter what it is, it just happens.
Had I bought these products online I would still be trying to figure out a solution for my stereo. Deal with someone you know and can trust.
I can relate to this thread as just recently my Bassworx speaker amp and Pioneer 12' shallow mount I had for 6 months malfunctioned and MR2NR immediately gave me directions for replacing them as warranty with no headaches making it a very easy process. He even called Pioneer himself as they refused me service and is sending me the warranty sub from his own stock. Stuff breaks no matter what it is, it just happens.
Had I bought these products online I would still be trying to figure out a solution for my stereo. Deal with someone you know and can trust.
12-01-2009, 08:36 PM
#28
RANT WARNING
I think it is a personal choice. I will buy from any place that deserves my business. I will pay for service and warranty when I feel I need it. I wont pay 2x price just for the priviledge of buying in Canada. It is not necessarily the canadian retailers fault that he is 2 x the price. I simply believe that Canadian business is not very competitive and is burndened by government beurocracy. The distributors have tight control over who sells what. When I had my store I was not allowed to sell online *out of my territory* Only big boxes like FS and BB (same company! we have a B&M and online Oligopoly in Canada) can do that because they have B&M stores everywhere.. well almost... they have the power.. NO supplyer will tell FS not to sell online anywhere in canada... Yet all my reseller contracts with Sony, Pioneer, Alpine. Toshiba, Phoenix Gold.. Polk . EVERYONE prevented me from selling online! Why? to prevent competition!. I believe that is anti competitive. I dont think there is that sort of restriction in the US, or at least the market is so big it is impossible to police.. In canada a handfull of sales reps cover the entire country and know every thing that is happeing. I could never buy a huge quantiy of product at discount in order to sell it online or grey market. They would find out immediately.
So here we are.. Tonite I needed parts for my car. A lug nut made by a canadian company that cost $1 wholesale for a box of 10 retails for $5 at an auto parts store...I finally found a european OEM one for $2 at a canadian on line auto parts store.. the same part cost $1.09US at a US online store.. I got wipers that cost $32CND vs $18US ... why is this? because there is not enough competition in canada...to few small resellers... and the consumer gets screwed. Why do I think this is bad? because any time something is ineficient it takes resources away...the extra $40 I paid today to an inefficient canadian distribution channel is $40 less than I can spend somewhere else. All those people working in the inneficient distribution channels could be working where we need it: Health care and schools etc...
Oh and one more thing: all those buy local ads you hear and see paid for by the gov or local business? bullshit.. its the companies that started buying offshore.. Its called international trade and the world economy would die if we did not have it... it's the companies that will be the the first to drop their local suppliers for ones that offer the same product/quality from asia or USA at a lower price... Hear about the *buy US* policy down south? why is that bad? because Canadian companies have been selling in the US. It means that US companies do buy canadian and vise versa! So I do the same as business: I buy at the best price for same product/quality wherever I can. I will NEVER NEVER support mediocre ineficient business just because it is local...
So all of you vendors: please explain to me again why companies are encouraged to seek international trade but you want me to buy only in canada?
So...All you VENDORS: Put your supplyers agains the wall and force them to give you the same wholesale price as the US...Get together with other retailers and take them to court to challenge the anticompetitive clauses in your resellers contracts. Force them to remover your online sales restrictions... Hey maybe you might even get some US business... Call your member of parliament at provincial and federal levels and tell them to lower your payroll taxes, your Workmans compensation payments, etc etc..
Warranty not valid outside of country? that only happens at the consumer level. YOU bet your *** that at the industrial level warranties are valid internationally... I have experienced it in my career.. US based companies with branches in canada purchased in the US for less than our canadian prices and then shipped to the canadian branch.. Could we refuse warranty? oh sure. but they would never buy from us again... So.. this no internation warranty thing is yet again another anticompetitive practice to protect the distribution channel's profits at the expense of the consumer.
and one more thing: the ENVIRONMENT! you think Brick and Mortar stores are good for the invironment? what is better? 100 consumers driving their cars to the local mall that was built on farm land with a huge paved parking lot? or one fuel efficent delivery van with one driver bringing the stuff to the door from a jam packed automated warehouse? As your politician that next time the want to promote local shops. What about the lost productivity of the 100 people needign to take the time to shop? Huh? Or the cost of building bigger highways to get to the malls? On a Gross domestic product scale the inefficiency of B&M is huge...
OK time for TV... glad I got it out of my system!
I think it is a personal choice. I will buy from any place that deserves my business. I will pay for service and warranty when I feel I need it. I wont pay 2x price just for the priviledge of buying in Canada. It is not necessarily the canadian retailers fault that he is 2 x the price. I simply believe that Canadian business is not very competitive and is burndened by government beurocracy. The distributors have tight control over who sells what. When I had my store I was not allowed to sell online *out of my territory* Only big boxes like FS and BB (same company! we have a B&M and online Oligopoly in Canada) can do that because they have B&M stores everywhere.. well almost... they have the power.. NO supplyer will tell FS not to sell online anywhere in canada... Yet all my reseller contracts with Sony, Pioneer, Alpine. Toshiba, Phoenix Gold.. Polk . EVERYONE prevented me from selling online! Why? to prevent competition!. I believe that is anti competitive. I dont think there is that sort of restriction in the US, or at least the market is so big it is impossible to police.. In canada a handfull of sales reps cover the entire country and know every thing that is happeing. I could never buy a huge quantiy of product at discount in order to sell it online or grey market. They would find out immediately.
So here we are.. Tonite I needed parts for my car. A lug nut made by a canadian company that cost $1 wholesale for a box of 10 retails for $5 at an auto parts store...I finally found a european OEM one for $2 at a canadian on line auto parts store.. the same part cost $1.09US at a US online store.. I got wipers that cost $32CND vs $18US ... why is this? because there is not enough competition in canada...to few small resellers... and the consumer gets screwed. Why do I think this is bad? because any time something is ineficient it takes resources away...the extra $40 I paid today to an inefficient canadian distribution channel is $40 less than I can spend somewhere else. All those people working in the inneficient distribution channels could be working where we need it: Health care and schools etc...
Oh and one more thing: all those buy local ads you hear and see paid for by the gov or local business? bullshit.. its the companies that started buying offshore.. Its called international trade and the world economy would die if we did not have it... it's the companies that will be the the first to drop their local suppliers for ones that offer the same product/quality from asia or USA at a lower price... Hear about the *buy US* policy down south? why is that bad? because Canadian companies have been selling in the US. It means that US companies do buy canadian and vise versa! So I do the same as business: I buy at the best price for same product/quality wherever I can. I will NEVER NEVER support mediocre ineficient business just because it is local...
So all of you vendors: please explain to me again why companies are encouraged to seek international trade but you want me to buy only in canada?
So...All you VENDORS: Put your supplyers agains the wall and force them to give you the same wholesale price as the US...Get together with other retailers and take them to court to challenge the anticompetitive clauses in your resellers contracts. Force them to remover your online sales restrictions... Hey maybe you might even get some US business... Call your member of parliament at provincial and federal levels and tell them to lower your payroll taxes, your Workmans compensation payments, etc etc..
Warranty not valid outside of country? that only happens at the consumer level. YOU bet your *** that at the industrial level warranties are valid internationally... I have experienced it in my career.. US based companies with branches in canada purchased in the US for less than our canadian prices and then shipped to the canadian branch.. Could we refuse warranty? oh sure. but they would never buy from us again... So.. this no internation warranty thing is yet again another anticompetitive practice to protect the distribution channel's profits at the expense of the consumer.
and one more thing: the ENVIRONMENT! you think Brick and Mortar stores are good for the invironment? what is better? 100 consumers driving their cars to the local mall that was built on farm land with a huge paved parking lot? or one fuel efficent delivery van with one driver bringing the stuff to the door from a jam packed automated warehouse? As your politician that next time the want to promote local shops. What about the lost productivity of the 100 people needign to take the time to shop? Huh? Or the cost of building bigger highways to get to the malls? On a Gross domestic product scale the inefficiency of B&M is huge...
OK time for TV... glad I got it out of my system!
Last edited by zoomer; 12-01-2009 at 08:54 PM.
12-02-2009, 02:24 AM
#29
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 7
Very good points zoomer. Buying in the US has it's advantage right now but it's vise versa because of the fluctuations of the exchange rate. Well written though.
12-02-2009, 10:12 AM
#30
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 2,026
I like rants . . .
I agree completely with the inefficiency of B&M vs a huge warehouse that ships product . . . however, you do encounter a problem when you want to demo a product. How can you compare sound over the internet? Granted, even demo boards are weak because they are nothing like a car environment, but they do give you an idea. So B&M places have their benefits. Just don't be a hoser and go to a B&M to demo a product then go order it online. Not only is that more environmentally destructive (as Zoomer's post above indicates) it is also ethically wrong.
I agree completely with the inefficiency of B&M vs a huge warehouse that ships product . . . however, you do encounter a problem when you want to demo a product. How can you compare sound over the internet? Granted, even demo boards are weak because they are nothing like a car environment, but they do give you an idea. So B&M places have their benefits. Just don't be a hoser and go to a B&M to demo a product then go order it online. Not only is that more environmentally destructive (as Zoomer's post above indicates) it is also ethically wrong.
