I remember when the local shop opened and started carrying Eclipse. I never thought the stuff was cheesy at all. I still have an ECD-415. It is a very simple looking deck.

Eclipse is damned if they and damned if they don't. If they are readily available at plenty of retailers, Eclipse has "sold out." If they are sold only through small B&Ms, people complain that they can't find an eclipse dealer near them. They still are the best at controlling unauthorized sales of their head units so their stuff isn't nearly as wh0red out as all the other decks out there.

I would love to check out a Nak, but I don't think they even have a US distributor any more. For now, I am very happy with my RF 8250 though. [img]smile.gif[/img]

 

I wish Eclipse would not be so stubborn and make they're faceplates removeable. As if the "fine" people from whalley are going to know that the stereo they just stole is ESN protected and - bla bla bla. Has anyone tried to use they're theft protection insurance at all. Apparently, they feel so strongly about ESN that if your deck gets stolen, they'll replace it....
...pay your deductible more likely

 

^^^ Actually, in 10 years of Eclipse sales, 5 of my customers have had their units replaced by Eclipse at no charge. This vs. 10 ICBC claims a month (none of which are Eclipse) for detach face units. Just to be fair, in 10 years of selling Eclipse I have also had 7 ICBC claims for decks stolen outside of the replacement theft guarantee period.

 

X2 The local shop has NEVER had an ESN claim(they have sold Eclipse since '92-'93 and ESN decks started in '94???).

If non detach face decks indicate stubbornness on Eclipse's side, what does non detach face deck manufacturers refusal to give a theft warranty indicate?

 

^^ Well the average thief has no idea, so I would speculate that lack of claims is due to lack of awareness of the policy. IMO not having a detachable face is pretty dumb unless the deck actually has a stock look like the Naks.

 

Are you saying that despite the fact that ESN has been around for well over a decade and the anti theft warranty has been in place all that time, many(most?) eclipse owners don't know about the policy? I think you would have to go a long way to make that a convincing argument.

It is advertised by Eclipse, and why wouldn't retailers use it as a selling point?

I think the more likely scenario is not many eclipses are actually stolen as compared to detach face decks.

Until the past couple of years, eclipses looked pretty bland as well(not as bland as Nak, ofcourse but still). I like the bland, bare bones look more.

[ June 20, 2005, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: PerryB ]