Are you saying that despite the fact that ESN has been around for well over a decade and the anti theft warranty has been in place all that time, many(most?) eclipse owners don't know about the policy? I think you would have to go a long way to make that a convincing argument.

It is advertised by Eclipse, and why wouldn't retailers use it as a selling point?

I think the more likely scenario is not many eclipses are actually stolen as compared to detach face decks.

Until the past couple of years, eclipses looked pretty bland as well(not as bland as Nak, ofcourse but still). I like the bland, bare bones look more. </font>[/QUOTE]It was just speculation, but regardless it makes no sense to me not to offer a detachable face. The average thief would likely have no idea about ESN. Maybe the lack of Eclipse sales vs bigger brands such as Pioneer, Alpine and Kenwood biases the #s somewhat.

 

I neglected to read this before my last post. Sounds like a very possible scenario to me.

 

Does detach work, for most people no as they do not use the security feature as it was intended to be used.....they don't take the face with them. It is hidden in the car for the enterprising thief to root around and find and guess what guys....it is proven fact that this is indeed what they do.

Does Eclipse need detach....nope, not at all. Should the other companies offer a replacement guarantee, maybe they should try but that most certainly would not last long as the sheer volume of theft claims in the industry for detach vs. ESN is enormous.

It is not long before the detach companies make the leap to some kind of security system that is not based around 1988 technology, maybe it will be a SD format, who knows but time will tell. Even Blaupunkt has had a, make that two, great security systems other than detach, this just shows that there are lots of alternatives to detach as well. If a manufacturer can get rid of a detach face, they are going to be able to lower price points on their cd players as well, this is a flip side to the detach face scenario to consider.

 

^^^ I just have a hard time believing that ESN deters theft because I believe the thief wouldn't know about the feature until after he/she steals the deck.

 

Perhaps Eclipse did a cost analysis and found the savings from manufacturing a deck without detachable face outweighed the costs of replacing a limited amount of stolen units at manufacturing cost. This is the only feasible reason I can think of for not offering the detach face feature.

 

^^ Excellent point. Long live detachable faceplates [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

 

Well with every Eclipse deck their comes a set of stickers as most alarms do to stick on your windows. Hence the stickers let the would be thieves know that the deck is worthless if stollen. Dave you almost took Eclipse , and the only reason you didnt was future shop was going to be selling it. I do not use the negative sell at all. Plain and simple Eclipse has a great line of headunits. They sell themselves. Put it this way other dealers are calling me for Eclipse headunits. Have you ever even sold one Dave? Isnt Alpine having trouble with their new line of decks? Hmmmm. Seems funny. I have no problems at all with any of the Eclipse line up. And I dont see refubed stuff being sold at A&B.

[ June 20, 2005, 10:21 PM: Message edited by: AudioVault ]