Interconnects/Deck: The Relationship
Well, you guys can believe what you like... but I would bet near anything that you wouldn't be able to distinguish between any 2 cables in a double blind ABX test (so long as noise wasn't an issue)
Many audiophiles have attempted, and failed...
lets forget about the placebo effect and stick to raw science/physics.... [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
Many audiophiles have attempted, and failed...
lets forget about the placebo effect and stick to raw science/physics.... [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
50 Watt CAFz'r
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Originally posted by Haunz:
lets forget about the placebo effect and stick to raw science/physics.... :thumb:
lets forget about the placebo effect and stick to raw science/physics.... :thumb:
But who believes in that hokey "science" stuff anyways? As if "scientific proof" meant anything in the audio world.
Yankee
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I think I have been one of the biggest champions of science and electrical theory on this board (not saying I know anything I just am in favor of knowledge).
The ABX testing has successfully kept listeners from differentiating from cables, amps, CD sources, and speakers … if you buy into the ABX hype there is little if any difference in anything. I am currently going nuts over my vacuum tubes (each set sounds different from the previous set) yet I have been told by one of the ABX big names that tube amps sound just like transistor amps and ABX would prove it. There were ABX tests done a decade or so ago where some speakers were behind a screen and the audiences couldn’t tell the difference between speakers or anything in the system. The late Julian Hirsch was associated with many ABX testing and was an advocate that most everything sounded the same.
The point: AB testing can point out differences, and if you know what you are listening to a placebo effect either direction. While ABX testing for some reason suppresses our ability to hear the differences.
I am not saying there is a startling difference between cables or amps and it really seldom justifies the price. The difference between top of the line cables and some of stingers/ knuconcepts products makes it hard to justify the price unless it is worth it to the owner.
I do not think cables should be a top priority item, in selecting components.
Why do we obsess over capacitors and RCAs?
Well, you guys can believe what you like... but I would bet near anything that you wouldn't be able to distinguish between any 2 cables in a double blind ABX test (so long as noise wasn't an issue)
The point: AB testing can point out differences, and if you know what you are listening to a placebo effect either direction. While ABX testing for some reason suppresses our ability to hear the differences.
I am not saying there is a startling difference between cables or amps and it really seldom justifies the price. The difference between top of the line cables and some of stingers/ knuconcepts products makes it hard to justify the price unless it is worth it to the owner.
I do not think cables should be a top priority item, in selecting components.
Why do we obsess over capacitors and RCAs?
50 Watt CAFz'r
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Posts: 52
Originally posted by Tim Baillie.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MATTX:
Also high end interconnects are specially wound to optimize varying magnetic fields as they travel through the cable. Over a distance you can loose out on tonal balance, dynamic range, and pick up noise.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MATTX:
Also high end interconnects are specially wound to optimize varying magnetic fields as they travel through the cable. Over a distance you can loose out on tonal balance, dynamic range, and pick up noise.
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No.................... </font>[/QUOTE]According to monster training, yes...
look into it! for example ->
Monster XLN® PRO Competition Grade Car Audio Interconnect is a fine example
http://www.monstercable.com/caraudio...r.asp?pin=1346
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You know what?
I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF AN ABX BOX BEING TESTED!!!
That is listening to a system with and without the "box" in the signal path.
Who's to say that the box didn't degrade the signal quality so much that differences couldn't be heard.
Anyone?
I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF AN ABX BOX BEING TESTED!!!
That is listening to a system with and without the "box" in the signal path.
Who's to say that the box didn't degrade the signal quality so much that differences couldn't be heard.
Anyone?
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Originally posted by JohnVroom:
The ABX testing has successfully kept listeners from differentiating from cables, amps, CD sources, and speakers … if you buy into the ABX hype there is little if any difference in anything.
The ABX testing has successfully kept listeners from differentiating from cables, amps, CD sources, and speakers … if you buy into the ABX hype there is little if any difference in anything.
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Originally posted by PEI330Ci:
Who's to say that the box didn't degrade the signal quality so much that differences couldn't be heard.
Anyone?
Who's to say that the box didn't degrade the signal quality so much that differences couldn't be heard.
Anyone?
Anyhoo - have you all spent any time researching the ABX box, it's development, construction, and operation, or anything before you casually discount it?
In fact the developer invented it to HELP manufacturers distinguish their stuff from other brands - not to single handedly destroy high end audio! Things just didn't quite work out the way it was intended though after a few units were made and comparisons started happening.
In a true display of marketing the inventor was then slandered and blackballed by a lot of the people/companies who encouraged him to make the damn thing in the first place! The old adage: "Be careful what you wish for, you may just get it" seems perfect here. He almost went completely bankrupt but managed to turn it around.
Anyway - I'll put the rant away now
but since we all have a lot of free time at the keyboard, it may be worth an hour's research. Then when some smartass like me comes on and posts a rant like this at least a good counterpoint can be made 
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Originally posted by MATTX:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Tim Baillie.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MATTX:
Also high end interconnects are specially wound to optimize varying magnetic fields as they travel through the cable. Over a distance you can loose out on tonal balance, dynamic range, and pick up noise.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Tim Baillie.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MATTX:
Also high end interconnects are specially wound to optimize varying magnetic fields as they travel through the cable. Over a distance you can loose out on tonal balance, dynamic range, and pick up noise.
[img]graemlins/puke.gif[/img]
No.................... </font>[/QUOTE]According to monster training, yes...
look into it! for example ->
Monster XLN® PRO Competition Grade Car Audio Interconnect is a fine example
http://www.monstercable.com/caraudio...r.asp?pin=1346 </font>[/QUOTE]LOL - are you actually serious?
Now what kind of degree do you think the person who wrote that text has: Engineering or Marketing? I'll give ya 2 guesses
As a side note - I always enjoy reading Monster Cable's propaganda. The way their page reads their entry cables are the be-all and end-all and yet their upper end cables are somehow EVEN BETTER!!!
I agree - the XLN Pro is a fine example....of marketing...
It amuses me [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
