avidedtr

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DUKK there are sonic differences between amps - Believe it. Take my last install. Audison LRx amps to Audison VRx amps. The LRx plays loud but looses control and becomes uncolored and harsh sounding. VRx's sound is almost similar but more on the warmer side, stays in control but lacks the ***** of the LRx.

Same goes for processors - I switched out the 701 to the bitone. The L to R separation was HUGE and sounded more natural.

jstoner22

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the topic isn't that unrelated, lol, the thread was on the mx406 and we are discussing whether the unit would substantially benefit from a processor.

i agree though, i don't think a properly setup system will NEED a processor. like i said before though, i'd be curious just to try one out.

no comment on the sonic variations between amps...i couldn't agree either way until i hear multiple amps on my same setup.

Sasha

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What I dont understand why you even want to go there, as everyone knows this would go nowhere good and everyone has been down this road before. You say I effed up the install, I say you have sh** for ears. Whats the point?

RomanticMoments

I put a sticker on my car and the stereo was louder by 3dB! AND it added 10HP! I say we just invest in stickers to make our cars louder and faster

JohnVroom

? if there is a point make it, taking a sarcastic note implies your point is already made

Dukk

Hey I wasn't the one to start pooning about this amp for this and that amp for that. Oh... that was you. Well, there ya go..

And I will go there everytime someone begins to spew about it. I know the entire argument and for all the opinions and rhetoric there is and always has been only one statement that is true: Nobody has ever proven they can consistently tell the difference between two unclipped amplifiers playing music at the same level. This is unrefutable so we don't even need to hear the argument.

Relating the Bit1 to the 701. A good processor should be completely transparent when set flat. I'm still waiting to see one. They all add a little 'something' to the sound. Considering what's going on inside, really, it's almost inevitable. The game is to decide what 'something' you can tolerate.

As for needing a processor - this isn't even a discussionary topic. Anyone worth their salt will agree that if you aren't 95% of the way there with zero EQ or T/A, then you screwed up. Plain and simple. Minor bumps and tweaks are not major alterations in sound.

Sasha

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Your attitude that came across was uncalled for. Why would you crap over someone’s comments, especially over such a debatable subject. Not a fine example from admin stirring the pot first with something that everyone knows is guaranteed to start a fight. I’d expect something like this from a novice user, but being an active and experienced forum member you should know better. And now, you single-handedly opened up a potential floodgate of retarded comments from other members which can potentially destroy the thread. I don’t recall seeing you post comments that come across in such a malicious way, so the only explanation I have is that you were having an off-day, and that may have clouded your better judgement. Way to keep the thread alive. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but can you tell me why you had to give yours in such a provocative and aggressive manner? As for my opinion, I have yet to see someone win an SQ competition without proper T.A. no matter how great their install is. You can do all you want with speaker placement or shifting polarity on the tweeter and/or another mid if necessary, etc, and whatever else they do to monkey around the real deal, the system is disqualified from the start in my book. And is all this aggression stemming from me saying that I like a system tuned with T.A. as opposed to without, and/or because I offered to take time out of my day to extend my generosity to a fellow CCA member by offering them to demo a highly regarded amp in the SQ community, or did you not see it that way and thought I was trying to make a shameless sale via someone else’s thread? And you have to “barf” over someone suggesting they can hear amp’s sonic sigs like the other 50% of people who always fight over this topic vs those who can’t. I could be saying you can change an install, but not the ears, and continue with the bickering, but instead I would rather explain myself and let it go, as this is futile and old.

Dukk

What attitude? I presented my statements matter of factly maybe, but I do not believe aggressively. Perhaps it is because they are inarguable? Or was it that you didn't like what you were hearing so I'm a dink?

I'm sorry if I offended you - really I am. Here's what I saw though - you were opining that the member NEEDS a processor and they NEED expensive amplifiers or they are wasting their time. Obviously I disagree - especially when they are running a well respected, if mainstream, brand. This kind of rhetoric is what keeps people with "real world" systems from thinking they can compete in the first place. What kind of example are YOU putitng forth? One of elitism IMO


I need to ask for some assistance though. I keep seeing "you need THIS amp" and "oh don't get THOSE amps" on various forums. I've been looking around but have been unsuccesful in finding the Amp Rating Chart. Who authored it? I'm looking to buy new amps for my next SQ system and want to get "good ones" and not "crappy ones". Or is there a dollar/watt level I need to be aware of or do they need to be hard to find? Whats the FOTD? ...see now I'm being sarcastic

kness_30

ahhh i want that

Sasha

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Car audio is a lot like transportation, Dukk, some people use a car, some take a bus, and then there are some who walk, and that's you, Dukk.