Okay To Turn Gains Up And Down On Deck Often?
02-01-2009, 09:00 AM
#11
no fears...knock yourself out. As siad, all it does is control low level pre-amp output to the amp's input. Like Big Red said, it is a little odd to be going through such a range of adjustment on the sub though...but, if it's your thing, go for it.
02-01-2009, 02:15 PM
#12
Having used Kenwood Excelon decks for years maybe I can shed some light on this.....wish I'd seen this thread earlier.......
Anyways......one thing I really like about KW decks is the fact that when the internal amp is shut off, the output voltage on the RCAs benefits with more headroom and no clipping. How you ask??....they limit the output voltages to what the unit can deliver without clipping....period.
I am really curious why you are using the entire range of adjustment on the sub outs....even allowing for different kinds of music and the quality of the recordings themselves doesn't add up to me.....
To answer your question, you will do no harm to your amp or sub as long as the input voltage doesn't overload the input transistors or drive the outputs into clipping by having the gain set too high.
If you are using this method to keep the woofer alive thru the cold temperatures we are having these days, props to you.....
AFAIK, once the system is setup properly you shouldn't need to do this constantly....a tweak once in a while for some songs is one thing, using it like this is something else....maybe it's time for a tune-up?
HTH
Anyways......one thing I really like about KW decks is the fact that when the internal amp is shut off, the output voltage on the RCAs benefits with more headroom and no clipping. How you ask??....they limit the output voltages to what the unit can deliver without clipping....period.
I am really curious why you are using the entire range of adjustment on the sub outs....even allowing for different kinds of music and the quality of the recordings themselves doesn't add up to me.....
To answer your question, you will do no harm to your amp or sub as long as the input voltage doesn't overload the input transistors or drive the outputs into clipping by having the gain set too high.
If you are using this method to keep the woofer alive thru the cold temperatures we are having these days, props to you.....
AFAIK, once the system is setup properly you shouldn't need to do this constantly....a tweak once in a while for some songs is one thing, using it like this is something else....maybe it's time for a tune-up?
HTH
he knows what he is talking about. I used to do the same thing. I had to constantly play around with stuff or it sounded like crap. Well after BigRedGuy helped me tune everything I hardly touch anything now ( Bass, mid, & treble settings are all at 0, no loudness or any boost on HU, no EQ ) only thing that I touch now is the bass **** for the amp and only for the occasional tweak to boost or cut depending on the song. Also alot less of that as well since I started using MP3 Gain on everything before it is put on CDs. Google it if you don't know what it is. IMO a must have for downloaded MP3s. If you have not setup and tuned your system I would suggest doing this as it will make an astounding difference. At least it did to mine.Nick
02-02-2009, 07:34 PM
#13
Having used Kenwood Excelon decks for years maybe I can shed some light on this.....wish I'd seen this thread earlier.......
Anyways......one thing I really like about KW decks is the fact that when the internal amp is shut off, the output voltage on the RCAs benefits with more headroom and no clipping. How you ask??....they limit the output voltages to what the unit can deliver without clipping....period.
I am really curious why you are using the entire range of adjustment on the sub outs....even allowing for different kinds of music and the quality of the recordings themselves doesn't add up to me.....
To answer your question, you will do no harm to your amp or sub as long as the input voltage doesn't overload the input transistors or drive the outputs into clipping by having the gain set too high.
If you are using this method to keep the woofer alive thru the cold temperatures we are having these days, props to you.....
AFAIK, once the system is setup properly you shouldn't need to do this constantly....a tweak once in a while for some songs is one thing, using it like this is something else....maybe it's time for a tune-up?
HTH
Anyways......one thing I really like about KW decks is the fact that when the internal amp is shut off, the output voltage on the RCAs benefits with more headroom and no clipping. How you ask??....they limit the output voltages to what the unit can deliver without clipping....period.
I am really curious why you are using the entire range of adjustment on the sub outs....even allowing for different kinds of music and the quality of the recordings themselves doesn't add up to me.....
To answer your question, you will do no harm to your amp or sub as long as the input voltage doesn't overload the input transistors or drive the outputs into clipping by having the gain set too high.
If you are using this method to keep the woofer alive thru the cold temperatures we are having these days, props to you.....
AFAIK, once the system is setup properly you shouldn't need to do this constantly....a tweak once in a while for some songs is one thing, using it like this is something else....maybe it's time for a tune-up?
HTH
The reason why I'm using the entire range is in fact to protect my sub (my thinking anyways). Besides going from nuisance to polite while on the street, I have the ability to start up with the sub off (winter), turning it on (when the car is warmed up) and allowing me to "warm up the sub" while it's on -15, while I slowly make my way to 0 a few songs in.
If it's ready to go, it will see +7 at most ... maybe +11 if I'm feeling ridiculous but for the most part, I'll keep it on 0 and go with it.
It's just a listening thing for me. My girl asks me to put on Elton John, not a lot of bass in some of those songs ... +7/+11 ...
Then I throw on a Hip-Hop song ... 0 or +1.
Again, I personally like starting at -15 and moving my way up to 0 ... the minute I found that option I fell in love with it.
And well ... yes it's probably time for a tune-up
Just to ease your mind ... 6x9's are blowing in my vehicle so I usually keep them off or +15 in the front, -15 in the back while I have the music up and let the sub provide the balance ... therefore causing the abuse of the level
Thanks for the info
02-02-2009, 08:06 PM
#14
What a response! Well, I gotta take the time and respond back ...
The reason why I'm using the entire range is in fact to protect my sub (my thinking anyways). Besides going from nuisance to polite while on the street, I have the ability to start up with the sub off (winter), turning it on (when the car is warmed up) and allowing me to "warm up the sub" while it's on -15, while I slowly make my way to 0 a few songs in.
If it's ready to go, it will see +7 at most ... maybe +11 if I'm feeling ridiculous but for the most part, I'll keep it on 0 and go with it.
It's just a listening thing for me. My girl asks me to put on Elton John, not a lot of bass in some of those songs ... +7/+11 ...
Then I throw on a Hip-Hop song ... 0 or +1.
Again, I personally like starting at -15 and moving my way up to 0 ... the minute I found that option I fell in love with it.
And well ... yes it's probably time for a tune-up
Just to ease your mind ... 6x9's are blowing in my vehicle so I usually keep them off or +15 in the front, -15 in the back while I have the music up and let the sub provide the balance ... therefore causing the abuse of the level
Thanks for the info
The reason why I'm using the entire range is in fact to protect my sub (my thinking anyways). Besides going from nuisance to polite while on the street, I have the ability to start up with the sub off (winter), turning it on (when the car is warmed up) and allowing me to "warm up the sub" while it's on -15, while I slowly make my way to 0 a few songs in.
If it's ready to go, it will see +7 at most ... maybe +11 if I'm feeling ridiculous but for the most part, I'll keep it on 0 and go with it.
It's just a listening thing for me. My girl asks me to put on Elton John, not a lot of bass in some of those songs ... +7/+11 ...
Then I throw on a Hip-Hop song ... 0 or +1.
Again, I personally like starting at -15 and moving my way up to 0 ... the minute I found that option I fell in love with it.
And well ... yes it's probably time for a tune-up
Just to ease your mind ... 6x9's are blowing in my vehicle so I usually keep them off or +15 in the front, -15 in the back while I have the music up and let the sub provide the balance ... therefore causing the abuse of the level
Thanks for the info
02-02-2009, 08:56 PM
#15
Trust me you will be much happier with your system after the BigRedGuy is done with it. I though mine was okay, but after he got done with it you would swear it is a different system it sounds that much better now. Anybody who heard it before and then hears it now asks right away what I changed. Nothing at all it is just setup and tuned to it's full potential now. Nick
02-03-2009, 04:45 PM
#16
Trust me you will be much happier with your system after the BigRedGuy is done with it. I though mine was okay, but after he got done with it you would swear it is a different system it sounds that much better now. Anybody who heard it before and then hears it now asks right away what I changed. Nothing at all it is just setup and tuned to it's full potential now. Nick
I talked to Lee....it's all good......he may have a little surprise for you when we get out there....but it's a secret....
02-03-2009, 06:11 PM
#17
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