George thinks that we should not point out that it is a EPX2, not a EXP because Tinted might have brain farted himself beyond recovery with his last little rant.

But if George was to point it out, it is in fact a EPX2 and not a EXP. Infact, wasn't a EXP a crappy little Ford hatchback similar to a Escort in the middle 90's?

Actually a guy named Greg Cobbs used one for years, guess you don't know him do you...... :D

wait a minute? didn't he retire practically undefeated (I know he didn't, but he was on top for many years). What would he know about SPL :rolleyes: :D

Not sure what george would say on this but,

Slow/n\low things that Tinted lives in his own little world on the east coast and that car audio was created when he started.


As far as NO competitors use signal processors???

How about Alma? when she was running PPI She had multiple signal processors.

Get you facts right [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

^^

And Audio Control currently, well not sure about the Beast II, but the first one had it.

and alma gets is no longer loudest. ppl DID use those units in the past but not any more. the only 'signal processor' that is still in use is probably a line driver. perhaps back in the day amps needed a signal processor for better spl? now days we dont need those. i dont know much about spl history as i only started to compete couple years ago. but i do know that Team Superior Sound did not use any while they hit 174.4 with one sub and beat every spl record there was. perhaps it's a good unit to have for SQ [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] but as far as spl goes 99% of the time it's deck's preout to the amp input (except for line driver) with nothing inbetween

and when Alma used those processors the only purpose of those signal processors was to boost the input voltage........pretty much same thing as the linder driver does now....FActs gotten right [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] (or atleast that's what she said on the termpro forum....do a search about her and signal processors)

[ March 16, 2004, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: Tinted ]

Gates.......... :rolleyes:

You have any idea what those little black boxes in the back of the Bronco were?Tinted?


Or did you forget those signal processors. [img]graemlins/jack.gif[/img]

[ March 16, 2004, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: slow/n\low ]

well then i guess Alma was wrong or she lied.

well then i guess Alma was wrong or she lied.

I agree Tinted..........she lied............ :rolleyes:

http://www.teamgates.org/images/pic9.jpg

Guess she lied again................

http://www.teamgates.org/images/pic8.jpg

Owned!

To quote Tinted in a PM he sent me some time ago..........

"someone just got PUNKED"

:cool:

LOL i guess some of us take what is said on the forum more seriouse than i thought. Tim while u at it ask superior sound why they dont use any processors while smashing Almas record with 1 sub.

Well, when you state something as fact it's easy to disprove if it isn't true, that's why I don't claim stuff on subjects I know nothing about [img]tongue.gif[/img]

it's not about that really. my original post was saying that there are decks that can do much of what symmetry can do....and i was not alone. however for some lovely reason i got singled out and called stupid, which is fine b/c i hold the same opinion of those who are immature enough to call me stupid right off the bat.

Tim i guess u found one SPL vehicle (that does not do spl anymore) that uses those. Congrats!!!

Tinted.........always having the brain fart...........

You speak and screw up.....people will be there to prove it to you every time.............. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

Stop and think about things and you might have a better time at things............. :D

btw that pic doesnt prove anything really, all those units boost the line voltage aside from all their other wonderfull features, just as i had read on termpro.

Umm you didn't say "there are decks that can do much of what symmetry can do" you said "all the high end decks that can give u more functions and more"
Big difference, although I would agree that the name calling was inapropriate, I would have just asked you which decks had more features.

So why didn't she just use line drivers then? Maybe because she needed some of the processing [img]graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

moreover, let's not forget that Alma's truck had high and mids in it....could use those proccessors for mids and highs, no? also tell me 5 features of any signla processor u would use if u are burping an extreme vehicle at 1 note?? let me start u off....low pass filter, subsonic filter and crossover (all of which can be found on the amp now days)...line voltage (we got line drivers for that now)...

DWVW yes u are correct, they have/had full range speakers and amps in that thing. that is wha they were processing maybe?

[ March 16, 2004, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: Tinted ]

Line driver = processor

[img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

didnt DMac list the decks that have much of the features?

No, those decks controlled processors that had all those features................

There you go, now that's a good answer, now wouldn't you want to boost your note? Couldn't an EQ be used for that?

i think u are the one having a brain fart. your picture proves nothing. u forgot about mids and highs in that truck? go on termpro and do some research [img]graemlins/deal4u.gif[/img] or find me a dozen of extreme spl vehicles that are using processors NOW and not once up on time [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img]

DWVW I see exactly what u are saying but u never use an eq to boost your note in spl, thats why no one uses them. u try to have as much control over your note and db as possible which is accomplished by having flat settings and just using the volume knob. perhaps some time ago they did use those things to boost the note or whatever, i dont know, but not anymore. for example, if u use a 4 volt deck and your amps peak at 2.4v of input and if u try to boost your signal by an external processor then u cant even turn your stuff up with the volume knob. i hope u see what im saying.

No, those decks controlled processors that had all those features................

isnt the symmetry a 2 peice unit that controls a processor as well.....or something rather similar?

It is a 2 piece unit.....the first piece is simply a controller for the processor......not a deck......

oh i see now line driver is a processor since alma had full range speakers in her truck....i know line driver is a processor, so is an HU and some parts of the amp.

controler for the processor yes u are right, how is it diff from the deck's Dmac listed? they control a processor in the very similar (althought not the same) manner as the whole symmetry would

Tim i really dont know why u dragging it on? I didnt say that symmetry was a bad unit nor did i say that u were wrong at some point with regards to the original topic. u have your opinion which is totally fine, if u disagree with mine just say so in a mature manner, not via 'brain fart' comments suggest but some dumb ass.

Tinted.........to end this once and for all..........you used the term brain fart first...........so don't pin that on me........second as for dragging this on, your the one who has posted more then me during this whole topic.............

You said Alma didn't use processors and she does, you said that decks can't do what the EPX does.......they don't.........

Those are the facts, I don't really care who does or doesn't use processors now in SPL...........

i didnt use the brain fart comment, George did, im not pin it in on u, i know u didnt use it. Alma used processors but NOT for spl, for full range set up in the truck.
Decks alone cant do what symmtry does, Decks with processors as listed by Dmac can do much of it.

Correction...........?

what do u think i was reffering to in that post? a previouse post where someone suggested that my brain was farting.

I'm done

Your never wrong [img]graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

Have a good night [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

Why can't you turn your stuff up, sure you won't have the full amount of use out of your volume knob, but how low do you need an SPL system to play? I know all about matching signal levels in an SQ system but is it really important in an SPL system? I have not heard an SPL system that was not driven intro extreme clipping, why would clipping the signal matter in an SPL application matter?