And please don't tell me that clipping is going to blow a speaker that plays for less than 30 seconds [img]tongue.gif[/img]

i see where u going with it. alot of ppl think that as well. but the more u boost your note with something extra the more distrotion u get, the more distrotion u get the less control u have over the sub performance and amplifier output. I did this test in my car a few times just to be sure myself b/c i had thought the same thing as u. and matching signal level is very important in spl, that is one of the basics to have all your amps perfectly level matched, especially if u are running a crazy amount of power from a number of amps to one woofer.

Dude are you totally Screwed in the head???

"isnt the symetry???" Dont you own one? you said you did!

"a 2 piece unit that controls a processor as well.... or something rather similar"????

Hello, The Rdat controls the processor and is used for programing.


Second off, Alma gates had phase modules made by PPI in her first generation bronco, and those my friend are not line drivers :eek:

And SPL is a changing practice never mastered just improved with time and work. So when you have been around long enough, try to understand. So for now just sit back and listen.

I know you want to match multiple amps output voltage, that's a given. But really how many SPL cars have any control over the cone?

complete control probalby no one, u right. but u dont want to have less control by adding distrotion into the picture.

George apologizes for being away for the last 2 pages. George thinks that Tinted once again is saying things that he does not know or understand and then he figures out that he is wrong and changes around what he said.

George says that Tinted has been proven wrong over and over it would appear and he still doesn't get it. George thinks that Tinted has been smelling to much silicone building those SPL boxes.

George weeps for the future of Car Audio if Tinted is our future.

[img]graemlins/2xblown.gif[/img] to tinted


and [img]graemlins/2xblown.gif[/img] to George

Oh wait I like George [img]smile.gif[/img]


Oh edit: I like you too Tinted, you are just wrong, im sure a good guy none the less [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ March 17, 2004, 12:22 AM: Message edited by: slow/n\low ]

Alma had high range speakers in the Beast? It didn't when it was PPI and it doesn't now (according to the web page on it anyway) so when was that? [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

That post had absolutely nothing to do with the thread question dude, and I think you can stop the people bashing as it solves absolutely nothing, no offence (and yes a lot of my posts seem to be useless for all you others that wanna jump on this) half of your posts haven't helped or solved anything bud. Tinted is a good guy and does know about a lot of things you seem to doubt that he does. Graduate from grade 2 and stop trying to pick fights with people, i dont think anyone really cared that you were gone for TWO PAGES :eek:

Well would ya look at that... Thanks Chev2

Here is a current SPL competitor who uses signal processor's. These photo's were taken at Audiothunder
http://12.105.186.206/Newsletters/In...anstraight.jpg

Is that recent enough? How about these results? Their victories included 1 st place in dB Drag Racing Extreme 2 (169.2dB), the New World Record in dB Drag Racing Extreme 2 (169.0 dB), Overall Loudest Vehicle at the Show (169.2dB), and Deathmatch Champion 2004 (158.5dB average) after completing a 5 minute endurance run.

George thinks that boominZ24 knows how to call the kettle black. George is amazed at how quick she is to forget how she acts in other posts. George thinks this is wrong but seems to be typical of this girl.

Wow and they did it with MTX. Go figure, the way MTX gets slagged you would [img]graemlins/jawdrop.gif[/img] think it not to be possible ;)

[ March 17, 2004, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: slow/n\low ]

Yup.

that's Kara Luciouse' van. i was at audio thunder. she used those for crossover purposes, b/c those mtx amps dont have a subsonic filter i dont believe.

whats wrong with mtx? they make half descent amps, u just have to know how to use them. and when they come for free who's gonna complain. she didnt use mtx subs in that van tho.

If decks could do everything a processor could do, there would be no point in making them (processors that is).

nah i think those amps can be strapped just by themselves.

DaFeared, a cheap ass battery from canadian tire can do 100x of what a more expensive 1 farad cap can do......why do they make caps then? why do ppl buy caps?

The same reason they make bandaids.

well u are partially correct.

So she used outboard processors? [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

That's all I'm saying, outboard processing is used in SPL.

A cap and a battery do not do the same thing and it is an issue of misapplication that confuses most people [img]smile.gif[/img]

Are you talking abpout the MTX xovers on the left and right? </font>[/QUOTE]Dude that looks sick! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

If she was strapping those amps together then she would have need to use 8 of the RTX x-overs.

They are indeed an 81000d, the new 1501d can be strapped without any outboard help.

Knowone was trashing on MTX tinted, my post was actually sarcasm, I find that people on not only this board but car sound as well seem to think that MTX is low end garbage. But Crossfire and Elemental designs seem to RULE [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]

It was a post to bring attention to that point :D

Also Tinted why would she use a sub sonic filter anyways, does she plan on playing full music sweeps for SPL [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img]

Also a Crossover doesnt replace what a sub sonic filter does. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

Some people that do their system for SPL like to listen to it out of competition with the 'full music sweep'

I doubt an extreme 1-2 is going to do that though [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img]

true but it was a thought lol

George would like to point out to Tinted that those MTX crossovers do not have subsonic filters in them

George thinks that once again people have proven to Tinted that SPL people do use processors in their systems and he still chooses to argue.

George shakes his head.

so u saying u wouldnt use a subsonic filter in SPL? When u burp 72hz u only want that 72hz and everything above, anything below will hurt your score.

i correct myself, u dont always want everything above, but u definatelly dont want anything below your peak note.

George is saying that the MTX crossover does not have a subsonic filter in it. George would also like to point out that he does not know of one company out there who makes a subsonic filter that goes past a max of 30 hz. George thinks that if you want to play 72hz and only 72hz then a band pass crossover will work better set at 60-75 hz or even finer crossover points.

crossover is not same thing as subsonic filter???? ok u are matching apples to bannas here my friend. subsonic filtering is/can be one of a crossover functions....crossovers can perform subsonic filtering. subsonic filter is just like the high pass filter but for the subs.

once again: crossover is a device whereas subsonic filtering is a function.

u probably right about the subsonic filter and 30hz. i never gave much thought to that detail. yah u would use crossover points to limit yourself to a particualr hz range. cutting off anything from your lower point down would essentially be the same idea as a subsonic filter. but yah u right on this one.

Tinted I was basically saying they were basic crossovers and they did not have subsonic built in. I guess I should say things step by step, but those x-overs are doing differant funtions than a subsonic filter.

Yes of course a sub sonic is a x-over, but in spl they are not needed.

yah George corrected me, u would use your HPF and LPF xover points.

Now what I want to know is, why would you need a subsonic filter in the first place? If you just play a 72 hz note, only 72 hz would go to your subs, thus no need for any filtering at all!

George is happy that Tinted got it.