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And time in the industry means nothing (like amp specs [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) . If I won the expert class at all the big shows (sbn, SVR, finals) would I be considered less knowledgable than others who have been in the class for years but never been in first place?
Oh and slow/n\low has been in car audio for quite along time.
Oh and slow/n\low has been in car audio for quite along time.
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BumpinNova - you should stop bringing up Physics if you cannot relay the full theory of it. It is making you look bad - which nobody wants. [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
The only way your "parallel is 6db louder than series" scenario is true is if you have a constant voltage source and no current limitations - which is never the case in an amplifier.
[ January 24, 2004, 12:36 AM: Message edited by: Dukk ]
The only way your "parallel is 6db louder than series" scenario is true is if you have a constant voltage source and no current limitations - which is never the case in an amplifier.
[ January 24, 2004, 12:36 AM: Message edited by: Dukk ]
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It is quite obvious that certain people have reading problems.
First off slingshot(brandon I think?) I never made any reference to Dodgeram, or any of his posts, in fact he argued one of my points for me!(thanks DodgeRam!)
Secondly- You dont know who I am nor do you know anything about my experience in car audio.
Third- If you are going to add to a group discussion, please go back and read the posts so you may make an objective opinion.
If you require any refrences to my knowledge both Paul(dukk)and DVDW(derek) along with many others with gladly tell you that I am more than qualified to make a post.
and as far as DodgeRam goes, I am sure he has lots of experience in this business and has made many educated posts over the years. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
First off slingshot(brandon I think?) I never made any reference to Dodgeram, or any of his posts, in fact he argued one of my points for me!(thanks DodgeRam!)
Secondly- You dont know who I am nor do you know anything about my experience in car audio.
Third- If you are going to add to a group discussion, please go back and read the posts so you may make an objective opinion.
If you require any refrences to my knowledge both Paul(dukk)and DVDW(derek) along with many others with gladly tell you that I am more than qualified to make a post.
and as far as DodgeRam goes, I am sure he has lots of experience in this business and has made many educated posts over the years. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by Bumpin' Nova:
I've heard two Thunder8000s in a recommended ported box (with a Rockford 500bd, a far superior amp to my Sony) in my friends Dakota and they sound like garbage compared to my old Xmaxs which were in a recommended ported box in my old Nova (with a Sony Xplod no less, 300w each). The Xmaxs sounded so much better then the 8000s it wasn't even funny. Push them to their limits and you will see that the Xmax can still be musical while the 8000s start stumbling. I never assume what I woofer sounds like from other peoples reviews.
I've heard two Thunder8000s in a recommended ported box (with a Rockford 500bd, a far superior amp to my Sony) in my friends Dakota and they sound like garbage compared to my old Xmaxs which were in a recommended ported box in my old Nova (with a Sony Xplod no less, 300w each). The Xmaxs sounded so much better then the 8000s it wasn't even funny. Push them to their limits and you will see that the Xmax can still be musical while the 8000s start stumbling. I never assume what I woofer sounds like from other peoples reviews.
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It is good that slow/n\low called me to tell me about this post, cause with all the reruns on I really didn't have much to do tonight.
Here is some points, you can take my experience for what it worth, I really don't give a hoot.....
Anyone who thinks that it is better for the SQ, the SPL, or the longevity of a amplifier to run it at 1ohm versues 4 ohms is a uneducated TWIT that has no clue about how amps work and should not be opening his mouth.
If you like to have your sub move a ton and have less output then 1ohm is the way to go. If you like having no dampening factor (dampening factor is the one SMALL little thing that has a impact on how the amp controlls the subs movement and reaction time) then 1ohm is the way to go. If you like your amp HOT as hell all the time then 1ohm is the way to go, if you want to have a larger load and risk damaging your charging system then 1ohm is DEFINATLY the way to go.
If you don't like to have tons of control and clean power then running 4 ohm is not for you.
Anyone that thinks that there is no efficiency difference between 1 ohm and 4 ohm is well............still a TWIT, maybe bit of a bigger one.....
Anyone that would take a amp that runs 1000 watts at 1 ohm over a amp that runs 1000 watts at 4 ohm is also a twit.....maybe more then a twit, but I am being nice.
Anyone who thinks that specs determine what a good amp and a bad amp is, well they are just stupid..........plain and simple......god are they stupid....... [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img] .............I bet you if you speced out a Jensen versues a Audison, you would not find enough differences in the specs to determine how much of a HUGE difference there is between those 2 amps.
Anyone who thinks that there are no great SVC subs out there needs to spend some time doing a LITTLE research before placing his foot in his mouth by way of his a$$
Anyone who says that wiring something in parallel is going to produce 6db louder is............$hit dude.....puff puff pass man...............if your going to quote physics......understand them first and you would know that you shouldn't be quoting physics about something that is not even close to what we are talking about......
Anyone that comes on and blasts someone for putting down someone and then claims that they have more knowledge then that person needs to get some bloody glasses and also pull that foot out of their mouth that was inserted by way of their a$$....................
Slingshot, do you know who slow/n\low is ? Do you know his knowledge ? His background ? I do........Do I know yours ? No, so you won't find me commenting to others on here about your knowledge or lead others to believe that your a idiot or a smart guy, I would just say that they can't miss you cause he has a foot in his mouth from talking out his a$$..........
These posts are fun because it reminds me that the internet is a great tool for knowledge, and it also continually shows me that it has created many TOOLS that think they have some knowledge........but it turns out they just can't read or understand what they are reading.........
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Here is some points, you can take my experience for what it worth, I really don't give a hoot.....
Anyone who thinks that it is better for the SQ, the SPL, or the longevity of a amplifier to run it at 1ohm versues 4 ohms is a uneducated TWIT that has no clue about how amps work and should not be opening his mouth.
If you like to have your sub move a ton and have less output then 1ohm is the way to go. If you like having no dampening factor (dampening factor is the one SMALL little thing that has a impact on how the amp controlls the subs movement and reaction time) then 1ohm is the way to go. If you like your amp HOT as hell all the time then 1ohm is the way to go, if you want to have a larger load and risk damaging your charging system then 1ohm is DEFINATLY the way to go.
If you don't like to have tons of control and clean power then running 4 ohm is not for you.
Anyone that thinks that there is no efficiency difference between 1 ohm and 4 ohm is well............still a TWIT, maybe bit of a bigger one.....
Anyone that would take a amp that runs 1000 watts at 1 ohm over a amp that runs 1000 watts at 4 ohm is also a twit.....maybe more then a twit, but I am being nice.
Anyone who thinks that specs determine what a good amp and a bad amp is, well they are just stupid..........plain and simple......god are they stupid....... [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img] .............I bet you if you speced out a Jensen versues a Audison, you would not find enough differences in the specs to determine how much of a HUGE difference there is between those 2 amps.
Anyone who thinks that there are no great SVC subs out there needs to spend some time doing a LITTLE research before placing his foot in his mouth by way of his a$$
Anyone who says that wiring something in parallel is going to produce 6db louder is............$hit dude.....puff puff pass man...............if your going to quote physics......understand them first and you would know that you shouldn't be quoting physics about something that is not even close to what we are talking about......
Anyone that comes on and blasts someone for putting down someone and then claims that they have more knowledge then that person needs to get some bloody glasses and also pull that foot out of their mouth that was inserted by way of their a$$....................
Slingshot, do you know who slow/n\low is ? Do you know his knowledge ? His background ? I do........Do I know yours ? No, so you won't find me commenting to others on here about your knowledge or lead others to believe that your a idiot or a smart guy, I would just say that they can't miss you cause he has a foot in his mouth from talking out his a$$..........
These posts are fun because it reminds me that the internet is a great tool for knowledge, and it also continually shows me that it has created many TOOLS that think they have some knowledge........but it turns out they just can't read or understand what they are reading.........
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okay I'll just sum it all up with "what the hell"
you all make so many generalizations about the quality of amplifiers so on so forth blah blah blah that an argument with you is pointless because you will never see the other side. 1 ohm amps run hot compromise your charging system so on so forth then what's the point of making one? Why does Xtant, some of the best SQ amps money can buy, make their amps 1 ohm stable? if it is such a disadvantage, why are subs 4 ohms and not 400? Really, then, you would have gigantic amounts of control. Subs would be so clean we wouldn't need tweeters anymore. Get off your high horse and actually read the words instead of dismissing me because of no history and so few posts etc etc (DWVW said himself it meant nothing). Zapcos are great amps - you can run them a 1 ohm forever and you still wouldn't blow them. My Sony ran strong at 1 ohm for seven months and not once did it go into thermal overload, got hot or anything.
if you really want to find out why subs are more efficient, straight from the guys who first gave me the idea, drop Adire Audio a line and ask them about it. You'll be boggled, and I know I was and I couldn't even fathom the concept to relate it well enough. Ask Adire and they'll prove me right. I did my best with my explanation but high school physics didn't help me much and evidently not enough of the message was retained for you guys to get the point.
Focals - overpriced and monopurposeful. I don't care about a woofer that is only tight, or only loud. Haven't heard one in a car sure, but that's because nobody bothers with these things. 10mm excursion for like $850? No way! It was impressive how they remained controlled even up to their limit, but I could hardly have called it "control a high volume." I can get the same SQ from a JL W3 and nobody cares about how exclusive your subs are if they can't even muster 130dB. Show me an SQL woofer that is DVC. Treo ... doesn't make SVCs in the high lines. RE HCs or XXXs... nope. eA A series... nope. JL W7 or W6v2? hell no. JBL GTi? not them either. MTX 9500? Ya you got me here. A SVC superwoofer. That makes one. Any more takers?
Last I checked, the further the sub moved - the more displacement - and it would be impossible for it to be more quiet then it would have been at a lower power level. I have yet to see an amp that is rated at 1 ohm stable actually produce less power at 1 ohm then 2, but if you can find me one I'll still point out that if the sub is moving further it has to be louder - how could it not be?
you all make so many generalizations about the quality of amplifiers so on so forth blah blah blah that an argument with you is pointless because you will never see the other side. 1 ohm amps run hot compromise your charging system so on so forth then what's the point of making one? Why does Xtant, some of the best SQ amps money can buy, make their amps 1 ohm stable? if it is such a disadvantage, why are subs 4 ohms and not 400? Really, then, you would have gigantic amounts of control. Subs would be so clean we wouldn't need tweeters anymore. Get off your high horse and actually read the words instead of dismissing me because of no history and so few posts etc etc (DWVW said himself it meant nothing). Zapcos are great amps - you can run them a 1 ohm forever and you still wouldn't blow them. My Sony ran strong at 1 ohm for seven months and not once did it go into thermal overload, got hot or anything.
if you really want to find out why subs are more efficient, straight from the guys who first gave me the idea, drop Adire Audio a line and ask them about it. You'll be boggled, and I know I was and I couldn't even fathom the concept to relate it well enough. Ask Adire and they'll prove me right. I did my best with my explanation but high school physics didn't help me much and evidently not enough of the message was retained for you guys to get the point.
Focals - overpriced and monopurposeful. I don't care about a woofer that is only tight, or only loud. Haven't heard one in a car sure, but that's because nobody bothers with these things. 10mm excursion for like $850? No way! It was impressive how they remained controlled even up to their limit, but I could hardly have called it "control a high volume." I can get the same SQ from a JL W3 and nobody cares about how exclusive your subs are if they can't even muster 130dB. Show me an SQL woofer that is DVC. Treo ... doesn't make SVCs in the high lines. RE HCs or XXXs... nope. eA A series... nope. JL W7 or W6v2? hell no. JBL GTi? not them either. MTX 9500? Ya you got me here. A SVC superwoofer. That makes one. Any more takers?
Last I checked, the further the sub moved - the more displacement - and it would be impossible for it to be more quiet then it would have been at a lower power level. I have yet to see an amp that is rated at 1 ohm stable actually produce less power at 1 ohm then 2, but if you can find me one I'll still point out that if the sub is moving further it has to be louder - how could it not be?
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Originally posted by Bumpin' Nova:
okay I'll just sum it all up with "what the hell"
you all make so many generalizations about the quality of amplifiers so on so forth blah blah blah that an argument with you is pointless because you will never see the other side. 1 ohm amps run hot compromise your charging system so on so forth then what's the point of making one? Why does Xtant, some of the best SQ amps money can buy, make their amps 1 ohm stable? if it is such a disadvantage, why are subs 4 ohms and not 400? Really, then, you would have gigantic amounts of control. Subs would be so clean we wouldn't need tweeters anymore. Get off your high horse and actually read the words instead of dismissing me because of no history and so few posts etc etc (DWVW said himself it meant nothing). Zapcos are great amps - you can run them a 1 ohm forever and you still wouldn't blow them. My Sony ran strong at 1 ohm for seven months and not once did it go into thermal overload, got hot or anything.
if you really want to find out why subs are more efficient, straight from the guys who first gave me the idea, drop Adire Audio a line and ask them about it. You'll be boggled, and I know I was and I couldn't even fathom the concept to relate it well enough. Ask Adire and they'll prove me right. I did my best with my explanation but high school physics didn't help me much and evidently not enough of the message was retained for you guys to get the point.
Focals - overpriced and monopurposeful. I don't care about a woofer that is only tight, or only loud. Haven't heard one in a car sure, but that's because nobody bothers with these things. 10mm excursion for like $850? No way! It was impressive how they remained controlled even up to their limit, but I could hardly have called it "control a high volume." I can get the same SQ from a JL W3 and nobody cares about how exclusive your subs are if they can't even muster 130dB. Show me an SQL woofer that is DVC. Treo ... doesn't make SVCs in the high lines. RE HCs or XXXs... nope. eA A series... nope. JL W7 or W6v2? hell no. JBL GTi? not them either. MTX 9500? Ya you got me here. A SVC superwoofer. That makes one. Any more takers?
Last I checked, the further the sub moved - the more displacement - and it would be impossible for it to be more quiet then it would have been at a lower power level. I have yet to see an amp that is rated at 1 ohm stable actually produce less power at 1 ohm then 2, but if you can find me one I'll still point out that if the sub is moving further it has to be louder - how could it not be?
okay I'll just sum it all up with "what the hell"
you all make so many generalizations about the quality of amplifiers so on so forth blah blah blah that an argument with you is pointless because you will never see the other side. 1 ohm amps run hot compromise your charging system so on so forth then what's the point of making one? Why does Xtant, some of the best SQ amps money can buy, make their amps 1 ohm stable? if it is such a disadvantage, why are subs 4 ohms and not 400? Really, then, you would have gigantic amounts of control. Subs would be so clean we wouldn't need tweeters anymore. Get off your high horse and actually read the words instead of dismissing me because of no history and so few posts etc etc (DWVW said himself it meant nothing). Zapcos are great amps - you can run them a 1 ohm forever and you still wouldn't blow them. My Sony ran strong at 1 ohm for seven months and not once did it go into thermal overload, got hot or anything.
if you really want to find out why subs are more efficient, straight from the guys who first gave me the idea, drop Adire Audio a line and ask them about it. You'll be boggled, and I know I was and I couldn't even fathom the concept to relate it well enough. Ask Adire and they'll prove me right. I did my best with my explanation but high school physics didn't help me much and evidently not enough of the message was retained for you guys to get the point.
Focals - overpriced and monopurposeful. I don't care about a woofer that is only tight, or only loud. Haven't heard one in a car sure, but that's because nobody bothers with these things. 10mm excursion for like $850? No way! It was impressive how they remained controlled even up to their limit, but I could hardly have called it "control a high volume." I can get the same SQ from a JL W3 and nobody cares about how exclusive your subs are if they can't even muster 130dB. Show me an SQL woofer that is DVC. Treo ... doesn't make SVCs in the high lines. RE HCs or XXXs... nope. eA A series... nope. JL W7 or W6v2? hell no. JBL GTi? not them either. MTX 9500? Ya you got me here. A SVC superwoofer. That makes one. Any more takers?
Last I checked, the further the sub moved - the more displacement - and it would be impossible for it to be more quiet then it would have been at a lower power level. I have yet to see an amp that is rated at 1 ohm stable actually produce less power at 1 ohm then 2, but if you can find me one I'll still point out that if the sub is moving further it has to be louder - how could it not be?
It is SVC and gets plenty loud for me with just a few hundred watts going to it.
You misconceptions are mindnumbing.
Why would you even want 130dB's from your subs if you weren't competing is SPL comps?
Do you have a front stage that can keep up with 130dB subs? (BTW, hearing damage starts with exposure to anything above 90dB's).
