what brand speaker wire is good?
Originally posted by Ettore Casagrande Jr.:
All wire is idential ... you have to be a complete retard to percieve a difference. In fact, no human on earth to this date has been able to blind test the difference between equvalently sized wires. None ... nowhere ... not on this planet.
Saying that, I bought PG stuff because it's nice and flexible. Plus, it was blue and matched everything @ the time. didn't hurt that it cost the same as the 'cheap' stuff.
I would completely base my choice of wires on looks (if it matters to you) and how flexible it is. Because, when pulling wires, flexible wire usually moves easier through odd angled areas.
All wire is idential ... you have to be a complete retard to percieve a difference. In fact, no human on earth to this date has been able to blind test the difference between equvalently sized wires. None ... nowhere ... not on this planet.
Saying that, I bought PG stuff because it's nice and flexible. Plus, it was blue and matched everything @ the time. didn't hurt that it cost the same as the 'cheap' stuff.
I would completely base my choice of wires on looks (if it matters to you) and how flexible it is. Because, when pulling wires, flexible wire usually moves easier through odd angled areas.
For the record, while is true that many times one cannot hear a difference between two similar makes or models of wire -- it is also true that there can be a sizable difference between certain makes and types of wire. It is important to try different cables yourself and determine any differences for yourself -- if you notice a change and like that change, than go for it.
Personally, I have tried many cables over the years and I think that cables are a vital "component" of a good system. What is the point of having a new Corvette if you are going to use tires from Walmart?
I like braided (90 degree) IE Kimber, Rockford Gamma, IXOS, etc. for mids and tweets (I used 13 gauge RF Gamma in my home theatre).
I like parallel pair 12 gauge high strand for subs (I have had sucess with the RF 12 gauge) -- some DB Drag racers have been known to use 4 gauge and higher in their sub boxes.
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i dont think that i would run monster m10 at 5$ a foot to a pair of kenwood 4" coaxials mounted in the dash of my toyota pickup, the wire would be worth more that the speaker. i'll bet that practically everyone here hasnt done an a/b test between the blue wire, or rona wire, against the kimber of the m10s of whatever wire. skinning effect is not an unexplainable phenomenon. the way high, mid and low frquencies travel from one place to another through wire is different. different types of wire have their unique characteristics, however small or not small. some people might not be able to hear differences or dont care, so blue or rona or streetwires it is. there is nothing wrong with that wire at all, it does a job. but for others its just not for them, and there is nothing wrong with that either
Originally posted by JordyO:
(Some people will even argue that it's impossible to tell the difference.. so don't be surprised if a big debate starts in this thread.... )
(Some people will even argue that it's impossible to tell the difference.. so don't be surprised if a big debate starts in this thread.... )
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I heaven't read his wire posts, no. If at any point they claim there is a sound quality difference on speaker-level equivalently gauged wires,then I don't even want to waste my time reading it. 12ga is 12ga no matter how you cut it (with respect to sound quality on speaker level wires). Speaker level wires is what this post is about.
Skin effect? On a wire carrying 20kHz signals ... oh man. I remember why this place started to **** me off.
Oxygen free refers to the actuall wire, not the rubber/plastic covering the wire (as someone stated already, just reaffirming).
Oh, and my local car audio shop has Tsunami blue wires that are REALLY cheap, and quite soft like my PG wires. Also, comes in blue
[ June 01, 2005, 09:07 AM: Message edited by: Ettore Casagrande Jr. ]
Skin effect? On a wire carrying 20kHz signals ... oh man. I remember why this place started to **** me off.
Oxygen free refers to the actuall wire, not the rubber/plastic covering the wire (as someone stated already, just reaffirming).
Oh, and my local car audio shop has Tsunami blue wires that are REALLY cheap, and quite soft like my PG wires. Also, comes in blue
[ June 01, 2005, 09:07 AM: Message edited by: Ettore Casagrande Jr. ]
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Buy what you like. If your adventurous, listen before you buy.
Not everyone has the accuity to decern differences in wire. I don't mean to insult people at all, just a fact of the human physiology. Everyone hears differently, and sometimes I wish I couldn't hear what I do....it's often more expensive in the end.
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Not everyone has the accuity to decern differences in wire. I don't mean to insult people at all, just a fact of the human physiology. Everyone hears differently, and sometimes I wish I couldn't hear what I do....it's often more expensive in the end.
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If you don't buy the premium wire, then we (installers) will have to raise our labour rates.
Seriously tho, there IS a differnce between types of wire, although the inverse cubed law applies as far as price per audible difference.
It takes a system that's 99.9% perfect to hear a 0.1% difference in the wire, and you've gotta be female, but the difference is there, and measurable.
Sometimes just knowing it's there makes it sound better too....audio illusion, but real nonetheless.
I'm sure in a car like Defro's, it's worth it to spend a chunk on wire...still probably well under 10% of the equipment cost.
For the average system I'd say buying regular wire makes more sense...improve the weakest link (speakers) til you can't go any farther, then help your installer buy his dream car!
Seriously tho, there IS a differnce between types of wire, although the inverse cubed law applies as far as price per audible difference.
It takes a system that's 99.9% perfect to hear a 0.1% difference in the wire, and you've gotta be female, but the difference is there, and measurable.
Sometimes just knowing it's there makes it sound better too....audio illusion, but real nonetheless.
I'm sure in a car like Defro's, it's worth it to spend a chunk on wire...still probably well under 10% of the equipment cost.
For the average system I'd say buying regular wire makes more sense...improve the weakest link (speakers) til you can't go any farther, then help your installer buy his dream car!
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I'm with Adam on this. Everyone hears differently.
And it doesn't matter what any of us thinks or hears (or claims to hear!). Ideally, try a couple of cables before you buy. See if you hear any differences, and then make your decision. And by the way, even if there are no differences, if you think you hear something, that's all that matters.
And sometimes I too wish that I didn't hear that which I do. Especially when I like the music but detest the recording (happens all too often these days). It's like a lot of things -- once you develop an appreciation for something better it is hard to accept less.
And it doesn't matter what any of us thinks or hears (or claims to hear!). Ideally, try a couple of cables before you buy. See if you hear any differences, and then make your decision. And by the way, even if there are no differences, if you think you hear something, that's all that matters.
And sometimes I too wish that I didn't hear that which I do. Especially when I like the music but detest the recording (happens all too often these days). It's like a lot of things -- once you develop an appreciation for something better it is hard to accept less.
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I find it odd that as soon as a double blind test is involved though it seems that while everyone hears differnently nobody can tell the difference in wire [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
As someone has already said - no one has yet, but everyone seems to be able to...
As someone has already said - no one has yet, but everyone seems to be able to...
