db drag rules
08-13-2003, 07:56 PM
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can someone tell me what you consider sponsorship. for example totally free? cost? cost +10%, . I had an in depth conversation about this with a db drag judge who stated that only totally free is sponsorship. I feel tht getting at a price not available to the public is sponsorship. What do you feel is sponsorship. Would you care if the persons your competng against you, had an advantage of being able to get their product at a rebate compared to you? I saw an installer take a mini street category only because it was his first year competing. He got his stuff at dealer cost. Does this matter to you as a competitor? do you think it's right? I'd love to know what you all think.Please
08-13-2003, 08:00 PM
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sorry i forgot to mention that i spoke to various judges and they said this to me. It's completely up to the judge as to which category to put the competitors into. So a seasoned professional, should be able to compete against a completely oblivious competitor as long as he follows the install rules and as long as he/she pays for their equipment.
08-13-2003, 08:34 PM
#3
IMO it's hard to define what a sponsorship is.. obviously if all the equipment is free then it is one.. but also i think if the equipment is sold for below retail price that could be considered a sponsorship as well..
then again i get good prices from a shop because i shop there all the time but i'm definatly not sponsored by them..
it's too hard to really enforce rules like this.. i mean street class is supposed to be free of sponsorships, etc.. but im sure all the big players in it get thier equipment for far lower than most people could..
[ August 13, 2003, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: Chris B ]
then again i get good prices from a shop because i shop there all the time but i'm definatly not sponsored by them..
it's too hard to really enforce rules like this.. i mean street class is supposed to be free of sponsorships, etc.. but im sure all the big players in it get thier equipment for far lower than most people could..
[ August 13, 2003, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: Chris B ]
08-14-2003, 01:15 AM
#4
i feel it is unfair for a person with all free gear to be against everyday joes, that buy their equipment,regardless of cost.i also have a hard time understanding why top competitors that are able to get amplifiers that the general public can't aquire 
, it's [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] imo. if guys in street were limited to use of standard,on the shelf amplifiers & subs,numbers would be lower & more consistent.i think that was what wayne harris was trying to eliminate by allowing double the amplifiers, but it only made for a whole lot of p.o'd newbies...i know guys get pi 
ed, when i hit 3 db higher than the next higher competitor.last years rules made for some really good shows [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] . what do you think chris?? 
, it's [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] imo. if guys in street were limited to use of standard,on the shelf amplifiers & subs,numbers would be lower & more consistent.i think that was what wayne harris was trying to eliminate by allowing double the amplifiers, but it only made for a whole lot of p.o'd newbies...i know guys get pi ed, when i hit 3 db higher than the next higher competitor.last years rules made for some really good shows [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] . what do you think chris??
08-14-2003, 05:30 AM
#5
Originally posted by Loud Brown Kicker Colt:
i feel it is unfair for a person with all free gear to be against everyday joes, that buy their equipment,regardless of cost.i also have a hard time understanding why top competitors that are able to get amplifiers that the general public can't aquire , it's [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] imo. if guys in street were limited to use of standard,on the shelf amplifiers & subs,numbers would be lower & more consistent.i think that was what wayne harris was trying to eliminate by allowing double the amplifiers, but it only made for a whole lot of p.o'd newbies...i know guys get pi ed, when i hit 3 db higher than the next higher competitor.last years rules made for some really good shows [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] . what do you think chris??
i feel it is unfair for a person with all free gear to be against everyday joes, that buy their equipment,regardless of cost.i also have a hard time understanding why top competitors that are able to get amplifiers that the general public can't aquire
, it's [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] imo. if guys in street were limited to use of standard,on the shelf amplifiers & subs,numbers would be lower & more consistent.i think that was what wayne harris was trying to eliminate by allowing double the amplifiers, but it only made for a whole lot of p.o'd newbies...i know guys get pi ed, when i hit 3 db higher than the next higher competitor.last years rules made for some really good shows [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] . what do you think chris??
I know how hard it is to compete in street myself.. hell the top 3 street competors in Canada are from this area.. so it makes very tight competition.. and although i have tried to step it up a notch this year I still find myself a little behind..
Hopefully Wayne will add more street classes next year as it is the division that the most people are in, yet it has the least amount of classes.. go figure!! [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
08-14-2003, 06:40 AM
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i had always thought that if you were affiliated with car audio, you automatically qualify under extreme. I never really read the whole rules though, i always just stuck to the red words. Now iasca rules we qualify for advanced and can completely avoid ultimate. but i feel crappy knowing that a shop owner would stack a show with his gear to make every class his. even though it's ligit(sort of). That's what happened at a show we just went to. and on top of this, the judge ,mic placment guy and rta controller all ran their cars thru. Honestly if i were askedto do a show, i would bow out to allow the cunsumer to take the cake. Just imagine coming up to the lane, and preping for a burp, and the judge says sorry we will take a short 10 min break so that the other car(my competitor )can charge up his batteries. or the fact that they used the same amp between three different cars. 1 amp three cars. 1 problem is ok , but it was the whole experience that was souring. it just didn't feel right
08-14-2003, 06:47 AM
#7
Originally posted by pat28ca:
i had always thought that if you were affiliated with car audio, you automatically qualify under extreme. I never really read the whole rules though, i always just stuck to the red words. Now iasca rules we qualify for advanced and can completely avoid ultimate. but i feel crappy knowing that a shop owner would stack a show with his gear to make every class his. even though it's ligit(sort of). That's what happened at a show we just went to. and on top of this, the judge ,mic placment guy and rta controller all ran their cars thru. Honestly if i were askedto do a show, i would bow out to allow the cunsumer to take the cake. Just imagine coming up to the lane, and preping for a burp, and the judge says sorry we will take a short 10 min break so that the other car(my competitor )can charge up his batteries. or the fact that they used the same amp between three different cars. 1 amp three cars. 1 problem is ok , but it was the whole experience that was souring. it just didn't feel right
i had always thought that if you were affiliated with car audio, you automatically qualify under extreme. I never really read the whole rules though, i always just stuck to the red words. Now iasca rules we qualify for advanced and can completely avoid ultimate. but i feel crappy knowing that a shop owner would stack a show with his gear to make every class his. even though it's ligit(sort of). That's what happened at a show we just went to. and on top of this, the judge ,mic placment guy and rta controller all ran their cars thru. Honestly if i were askedto do a show, i would bow out to allow the cunsumer to take the cake. Just imagine coming up to the lane, and preping for a burp, and the judge says sorry we will take a short 10 min break so that the other car(my competitor )can charge up his batteries. or the fact that they used the same amp between three different cars. 1 amp three cars. 1 problem is ok , but it was the whole experience that was souring. it just didn't feel right
I have seen cars go through on thier own shows and really i don't see a problem with it as long as there is someone there to take the persons place to setup the mics, etc.. but using the same amp between 3 cars seems a little silly.. and a poor decision on the shops part.
08-14-2003, 07:54 AM
#9
IMO installers shouldn't be allowed in street.. let-alone mini-street.. but then again how different is it if say i were to goto a shop and pay them big $$ to design a system for mini-street.. i dunno.. i dont think it should be allowed, but then again it'll still happen [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img]
08-14-2003, 10:56 AM
#10
i don't have a problem competing against installers, as if you can build your own box...it kind makes you an installer too [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] ...it boils down to use of equipment that is not available to just anybody,or people that get their gear for free.imo either of those two should not be permitted to run in stock...i thought it was really cool that [img]graemlins/@bow.gif[/img] alma declined the use of the gates series L7's,to use standard s10l7's. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
as for shared equipment, in dbdrag it is not permitted.
[ August 14, 2003, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: Loud Brown Kicker Colt ]
as for shared equipment, in dbdrag it is not permitted.
[ August 14, 2003, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: Loud Brown Kicker Colt ]
