db drag rules
08-19-2003, 06:41 AM
#31
1000 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,692
we have built a system with 1 amp and 2 woofers and a lot of batteries for that setup, only because we knew that the future will bring nothing but improvements. our box design is huge only because we went with the largest size box and can shrink it from there. (someone gave me this advise many moons ago 
) but we slowly have been making it more air tight , more rigid, etc. we've taken all that info and advise from the manufacturer and from seasoned competitors and have come up with a plan to maximize our spl. Next year we will be louder and the year after that we will go louder still. One day we will be at finals or SBN competing amounst the best. For now our eye is on the prize. some negativity has come our way but the way we see it, were rubber your glue bounces off us stick to you know who. we follow the rules and try to work within them. we treat every person with respect and we value every criticism and advise. Thank you all for your input.
[ August 19, 2003, 07:42 AM: Message edited by: pat28ca ]
) but we slowly have been making it more air tight , more rigid, etc. we've taken all that info and advise from the manufacturer and from seasoned competitors and have come up with a plan to maximize our spl. Next year we will be louder and the year after that we will go louder still. One day we will be at finals or SBN competing amounst the best. For now our eye is on the prize. some negativity has come our way but the way we see it, were rubber your glue bounces off us stick to you know who. we follow the rules and try to work within them. we treat every person with respect and we value every criticism and advise. Thank you all for your input.[ August 19, 2003, 07:42 AM: Message edited by: pat28ca ]
08-19-2003, 07:46 AM
#32
500 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 924
for sure not everyone can win, and to me thats not really a big thing, but theres a difference between losing by 1db to a car running a bit more power then u are with maybe a little better subs, vs losing by 10db to a car with 4-5 times the power in a prefab box, like i can tweet my box design all day long and build 50 boxes testing all of them untill they are perfect, but im not gonna gain 10db to be competative
thats my biggest thing is to see competitions actually be competative rather then the top 3 guys in a class doin 150s and the 4th place is doin like a 144, if theres THAT big of a differnce theres gotta be somethin more tehn just box design and little tips u have picked up.
last comp i used a VR1000 instead of my ppi2240, topped at a 148.1 vs the 139.3 or close i would have done on my own amp [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
thats the difference between a $300 amp and a $2000 one. like im hittin decent numbers in the box i have with relatively low power, its a perfect mini street/ daily driver system, sure i wouldnt mind bein able to go louder at times, but i personally cant afford $3000 or even 1000 worth of new gear, and thats not cus i invest money in things like kits, beer and such, so makin a jump to street would be a waste, like not everyone competes in 20 shows a year, and thats kinda how the classes are geared is towards those guys, not the people who just wanna come out to a show in their home town, meet some people, see some cars, and do a couple runs thru the lanes. in my opinion that kinda sucks
thats my biggest thing is to see competitions actually be competative rather then the top 3 guys in a class doin 150s and the 4th place is doin like a 144, if theres THAT big of a differnce theres gotta be somethin more tehn just box design and little tips u have picked up.
last comp i used a VR1000 instead of my ppi2240, topped at a 148.1 vs the 139.3 or close i would have done on my own amp [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
thats the difference between a $300 amp and a $2000 one. like im hittin decent numbers in the box i have with relatively low power, its a perfect mini street/ daily driver system, sure i wouldnt mind bein able to go louder at times, but i personally cant afford $3000 or even 1000 worth of new gear, and thats not cus i invest money in things like kits, beer and such, so makin a jump to street would be a waste, like not everyone competes in 20 shows a year, and thats kinda how the classes are geared is towards those guys, not the people who just wanna come out to a show in their home town, meet some people, see some cars, and do a couple runs thru the lanes. in my opinion that kinda sucks
08-19-2003, 08:13 PM
#33
you'd be surprised how much of a difference the box can make.. just by using the same box and changing a few things on it i gained 4-5dbs.. and yes that is measured on the exact same mic before and after.. having good equipment helps too.. but still the box is VERY important..
08-19-2003, 11:00 PM
#34
last year when they were thinkin about mini street i was all for it, but now that they have it i have never entered it, i just enter regular street class.
I find that you learn much faster if u just compete in regular street with heavy hitters, regardless of getting your *** smoked, than with newbs in mini street. you can only get better if u go against someone thats better than u. i see some ppl who understand this and instead of entring mini street they enter regular street in their fist year or so, they learn and next year come more prepared....or if you are blessed you can be like Chris B and be loud right off the bat.
I find that you learn much faster if u just compete in regular street with heavy hitters, regardless of getting your *** smoked, than with newbs in mini street. you can only get better if u go against someone thats better than u. i see some ppl who understand this and instead of entring mini street they enter regular street in their fist year or so, they learn and next year come more prepared....or if you are blessed you can be like Chris B and be loud right off the bat.
08-20-2003, 05:08 AM
#35
50 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 267
Pat, I'm am very proud to say that I that was able to give you some advice on your vehicle. That car of yours is smokin', and I can't wait to see more power go into that thing. Congrats! Also, I've seen a lot of other competitiors (Chris, Tinted, Perfect,Migraine, Shocking Can., Frank, Jason, etc,)work their asses off to try and put Canada on the map in DB drag. But there's one thing you will notice about all these guys, They never stop working on their cars. Most of the time they won't be the same from one show to the next! That's what it takes to win. That's what it takes to do well. That's what Db drag is all about. This may seem a little harsh now, but, if your not willing to spend the money and the time, then maybe look at a different sport. If I built a slow *** stock car I only have two choices. 1.Get lapped ten times in a race and have fun doing it, or 2.build a faster car. What I can't do is complain untill they make a "special" class for slow *** cars cause it won't happen.
08-20-2003, 06:42 AM
#36
1000 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,692
thank you. Just for the record, how long have you worked with the same car to get to where you are(or how many different cars). this question is for everyone. as you all know it's our first year (i think that well use our car for many years). but i imagine that for most of you it isn't just your first year. i know Matt's been around for a few but what about the rest of you,?
I checked almost every record holder at db website and most if not all have been around for about 5 years at least. 3-7 was the common.
I checked almost every record holder at db website and most if not all have been around for about 5 years at least. 3-7 was the common.
08-20-2003, 08:10 AM
#37
500 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 924
Originally posted by MATMAN:
This may seem a little harsh now, but, if your not willing to spend the money and the time, then maybe look at a different sport.
This may seem a little harsh now, but, if your not willing to spend the money and the time, then maybe look at a different sport.
here in calgary last year audio concepts had shows like every 2 weeks, yea they were fun, well run shows, decent turn outs, but apparently not worth their while cus there has been ONE single solitary db drag sanctioned event here this year...
the only shop i know of whos still puttin on db drags kinda regular basis is Ray up at FX, and honestly that sucks, and it causes even more new people to be discouraged from participating when they have nothing else to go to but poorly run non sanctioned retail chain shows.
ultimately the goal is to keep DB drags alive and goin strong to do that u need new competitors to try it and stick with it, u dotn have to be in a higher class to talk to someone in extreme, so no i dont believe that u gain anything by competing in a class where u are gonna get crushed all year long, cus its not like say playing a sport against people who are better where your body/skills will adapt thru trying harder.
and for the record i totally agree that SPL is 90% box design, how else could i be doin just under 140 with less then 100w per sub? im just sayin there comes that plateau where u have the most perfectly designed and built box, and the only thing thats gonna get u louder is more power, or better subs.
if this wasnt the case u would see alot more people running 200$ 18s in horn boxes on 50w per sub. rather then 2000$ drivers with a pair of $4000 amps on each.
08-20-2003, 08:31 AM
#38
Originally posted by MATMAN:
This may seem a little harsh now, but, if your not willing to spend the money and the time, then maybe look at a different sport.
This may seem a little harsh now, but, if your not willing to spend the money and the time, then maybe look at a different sport.
Another thing the reason i push for mini-street is to hopefully bring in people that have the fear of getting crushed in street class.. and hopefully they will talk to some people while they are there, start to enjoy it, and step up..
08-20-2003, 01:07 PM
#39
i remeber when they had mini street in the last barrie show, there was like 20 cars in mini street and like 4 in street.....my point is that 90% of ppl who compete in mini street will never move up, mini street is not for new competitors at all, its for ppl who are not planing to compete much period.
the reason they started mini street is b/c alot of ppl were upset that a few cars were loud due to the owner of the car being able to spend the extra buck on a NICE 4k watt amp. they defined it as a class for amatures, thus no pro could enter the class......but what do u call a pro?? if someone does research and builds a loud street car and in his/her first time ever enters mini street and smokes everyone im pretty sure ppl will complain again.
another thing after this mini street was started they decided that there wont be any points offered in this class and you cant get points towards finals by winnin in it.....so now 95% of the ppl who proposed mini street, such as myself, dont even bother competing in it, they just enter regular street.
the reason they started mini street is b/c alot of ppl were upset that a few cars were loud due to the owner of the car being able to spend the extra buck on a NICE 4k watt amp. they defined it as a class for amatures, thus no pro could enter the class......but what do u call a pro?? if someone does research and builds a loud street car and in his/her first time ever enters mini street and smokes everyone im pretty sure ppl will complain again.
another thing after this mini street was started they decided that there wont be any points offered in this class and you cant get points towards finals by winnin in it.....so now 95% of the ppl who proposed mini street, such as myself, dont even bother competing in it, they just enter regular street.
