db drag rules
08-17-2003, 08:23 AM
#22
500 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 924
sure there will, when they come up with a decent balance, thats competative enuff to keep things close for the more serious competitors, and thats not based alot around what u can afford, and still welcoming to new competitors, where u dont put 2 10" wOs against 2 15" L7s gettin 4X the power [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
what we all have to keep in mind, is that like 90% of competitors are male, and in all honesty, as guys when we try somethin for the first time, and get completely slaughtered at it, our normal reaction is usually F**K that, this is stupid anyway..... sure some say ok well how can i improve, and beat that guy next time? but thats not really the norm when u are a 16-20 year old male whos just spent $20 and gotten spanked by like 10db in front of your buddies, and the hardly dressed chicks u brought along to impress....
i think also, once classes are set up, that find this balance, they should be inplace, and basically left alone, updated to keep up with technology and what not, but for the most part just left the same, so that u dont have competitors who have their car set up for say street 1-2 one year, and are doin ok, and they pull up the next year and find out that cus of a rule change they are in SS1-2 and are no where near the next competitor.
what we all have to keep in mind, is that like 90% of competitors are male, and in all honesty, as guys when we try somethin for the first time, and get completely slaughtered at it, our normal reaction is usually F**K that, this is stupid anyway..... sure some say ok well how can i improve, and beat that guy next time? but thats not really the norm when u are a 16-20 year old male whos just spent $20 and gotten spanked by like 10db in front of your buddies, and the hardly dressed chicks u brought along to impress....
i think also, once classes are set up, that find this balance, they should be inplace, and basically left alone, updated to keep up with technology and what not, but for the most part just left the same, so that u dont have competitors who have their car set up for say street 1-2 one year, and are doin ok, and they pull up the next year and find out that cus of a rule change they are in SS1-2 and are no where near the next competitor.
08-18-2003, 01:45 AM
#23
1000 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,692
i've been to shows where 5 guys show up and i've been to shows where 50 guys show up. The rules apply to both but it is upsetting to not have a competitor, and to have a bye. but i'd rather have a bye instead of a rule change.
08-18-2003, 08:04 AM
#24
500 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 924
exactly, most people would rather take a bye or have the one guy in extreme 1-2 take a bye, the prize, and the points ratehr then say droppin him into like super street 1-2 cus there were only 3 guys in that class..
thats a pretty exagerated example but u get what im sayin.
thats a pretty exagerated example but u get what im sayin.
08-18-2003, 11:00 AM
#25
Originally posted by Tha-Game:
sure there will, when they come up with a decent balance, thats competative enuff to keep things close for the more serious competitors, and thats not based alot around what u can afford, and still welcoming to new competitors, where u dont put 2 10" wOs against 2 15" L7s gettin 4X the power [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
sure there will, when they come up with a decent balance, thats competative enuff to keep things close for the more serious competitors, and thats not based alot around what u can afford, and still welcoming to new competitors, where u dont put 2 10" wOs against 2 15" L7s gettin 4X the power [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
08-18-2003, 04:09 PM
#26
500 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 924
yea ministreet is great, but the steps they took for this season almost turned their backs on new competitors, allowing one amp per sub in street 
so to be competative u either need a decent setup with the 500w limit for ministreet and hope the comp ur at runs a mini street class, or u need 2 phat d class amps and subs that can take 1000w rms.... theres no real middle ground any more...
so to be competative u either need a decent setup with the 500w limit for ministreet and hope the comp ur at runs a mini street class, or u need 2 phat d class amps and subs that can take 1000w rms.... theres no real middle ground any more...
08-18-2003, 04:38 PM
#27
50 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 306
Also part of the beauty of mini-street is that there are no rules... they are decided at the show by the promoter.
The 500 watt max rule is just one example that can be used.
For instance, there can be a ministreet 0-499, 500-999, and 1000 plus.
Also there can be mini street 1 sub, 2 subs, and 3 plus.
Or any combination of rules they choose.
mini street Kenwood, mini street alpine, mini street pioneer.
The possibilities are endless. This helps mini street cater to everyone new to the competition scene.
Also I really wasn't going to jump into this conversation, but I guess I'm stuck there now so I'll add a couple more cents in here.
Not everyone can be a winner.
Sorry.
That is the fun of dB Drag and SPL in general... GETTING loud, not being loud.
Setting goals and aiming for those goals would be an ideal start to setting up an SPL system.
Also it does not require a gagillion dollars to be loud.
We are probably doing a healthy 150 now (old meter, who knows though, never been on a calibrated one) in our street A setup in our Tahoe. This vehicle was used to compete with while our other projects are waiting to get going.
Total cost of the entire system in there.
Under $2000. Easily.
A couple of JBL 1200.1's we got for about $500 each. A couple of Soundstream Tarantula's that we got a deal on for about $350 each. Add in two or three boxes at $50 a box, and we're sitting around $1800 TOTAL... for a system that is beating a decent amount of setups, usually people bitching about the price it takes to compete in my class, while they go and buy an $800 body kit for their car, going to the movie theatres and buying a few rounds of beer at the bar. I guess I just put my money into audio because I want to get loud someday. I sacrificed the bars, the movies, and the body kits for that.
And I'm sure you'll find that the guys that are loud are there only because they work their asses off for it... not because they spent thousands of dollars on equipment, but because they want to win.
The 500 watt max rule is just one example that can be used.
For instance, there can be a ministreet 0-499, 500-999, and 1000 plus.
Also there can be mini street 1 sub, 2 subs, and 3 plus.
Or any combination of rules they choose.
mini street Kenwood, mini street alpine, mini street pioneer.
The possibilities are endless. This helps mini street cater to everyone new to the competition scene.
Also I really wasn't going to jump into this conversation, but I guess I'm stuck there now so I'll add a couple more cents in here.
Not everyone can be a winner.
Sorry.
That is the fun of dB Drag and SPL in general... GETTING loud, not being loud.
Setting goals and aiming for those goals would be an ideal start to setting up an SPL system.
Also it does not require a gagillion dollars to be loud.
We are probably doing a healthy 150 now (old meter, who knows though, never been on a calibrated one) in our street A setup in our Tahoe. This vehicle was used to compete with while our other projects are waiting to get going.
Total cost of the entire system in there.
Under $2000. Easily.
A couple of JBL 1200.1's we got for about $500 each. A couple of Soundstream Tarantula's that we got a deal on for about $350 each. Add in two or three boxes at $50 a box, and we're sitting around $1800 TOTAL... for a system that is beating a decent amount of setups, usually people bitching about the price it takes to compete in my class, while they go and buy an $800 body kit for their car, going to the movie theatres and buying a few rounds of beer at the bar. I guess I just put my money into audio because I want to get loud someday. I sacrificed the bars, the movies, and the body kits for that.
And I'm sure you'll find that the guys that are loud are there only because they work their asses off for it... not because they spent thousands of dollars on equipment, but because they want to win.
08-18-2003, 09:03 PM
#28
Originally posted by A-Rok:
Also part of the beauty of mini-street is that there are no rules... they are decided at the show by the promoter.
The 500 watt max rule is just one example that can be used.
For instance, there can be a ministreet 0-499, 500-999, and 1000 plus.
Also there can be mini street 1 sub, 2 subs, and 3 plus.
Or any combination of rules they choose.
mini street Kenwood, mini street alpine, mini street pioneer.
The possibilities are endless. This helps mini street cater to everyone new to the competition scene.
Also part of the beauty of mini-street is that there are no rules... they are decided at the show by the promoter.
The 500 watt max rule is just one example that can be used.
For instance, there can be a ministreet 0-499, 500-999, and 1000 plus.
Also there can be mini street 1 sub, 2 subs, and 3 plus.
Or any combination of rules they choose.
mini street Kenwood, mini street alpine, mini street pioneer.
The possibilities are endless. This helps mini street cater to everyone new to the competition scene.
Also I really wasn't going to jump into this conversation, but I guess I'm stuck there now so I'll add a couple more cents in here.
Not everyone can be a winner.
Sorry.
That is the fun of dB Drag and SPL in general... GETTING loud, not being loud.
Setting goals and aiming for those goals would be an ideal start to setting up an SPL system.
Also it does not require a gagillion dollars to be loud.
We are probably doing a healthy 150 now (old meter, who knows though, never been on a calibrated one) in our street A setup in our Tahoe. This vehicle was used to compete with while our other projects are waiting to get going.
Total cost of the entire system in there.
Under $2000. Easily.
A couple of JBL 1200.1's we got for about $500 each. A couple of Soundstream Tarantula's that we got a deal on for about $350 each. Add in two or three boxes at $50 a box, and we're sitting around $1800 TOTAL... for a system that is beating a decent amount of setups, usually people bitching about the price it takes to compete in my class, while they go and buy an $800 body kit for their car, going to the movie theatres and buying a few rounds of beer at the bar. I guess I just put my money into audio because I want to get loud someday. I sacrificed the bars, the movies, and the body kits for that.
And I'm sure you'll find that the guys that are loud are there only because they work their asses off for it... not because they spent thousands of dollars on equipment, but because they want to win.
good luck to all in the lanes! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
[ August 18, 2003, 10:05 PM: Message edited by: Chris B ]
08-19-2003, 05:33 AM
#29
I do not see any equipment used in street class that normal people can't get...the closest thing is the Team RF woofer (but it isn't that great in street anyway) which you can get if you are determined enough. The 4KW anyone can get if you have the $$$ and basically that is what it comes down to...the most money will usually win. That is why they allow two amps in street A now, in order to stop people from bitching that you couldn't win unless you could dish out $3000US for a 4KW...well now you can run two inexpensive amps...the only problem with that is that now a ton of people run two amps rather then just a couple of people in the world running 4KWs...so it levels the playing feild for "serious" competitors and makes it harder for newbies to enter. Of course then there is ministreet which IS the answer to all problems...it is up to the promotor to offer ministreet, if it isn't offered then go complain to them because they had a choice on whether to offer it or not.
However the bottom line is this...street can be won with money however if you are SMART when you buy stuff then you can have an extremely competitive system for not that much money...2 Earthquake D2s and a pair of RE SEs can be had for around $1500canadian or less and right now that is what is run by the top car in the US (or one of the top cars) in street A...that is a good deal! And of course the Earthquakes are only cheap because of the huge number of people who got competitor pricing from them which in turn drives down the cost of used product. Now as for competitor pricing being bad I do not agree. It is a progression, you start off running used equipment and if you do well then people will notice you and you can get deals on better stuff brand new so you sell your used stuff to the next guy and get a good deal on new stuff. I personally have bought alot of used stuff and also have gotten alot of stuff at competitor discount and honestly, quite often buying used is a better deal! The only differance is that when you get comp discount you also get a warrenty.
However the bottom line is this...street can be won with money however if you are SMART when you buy stuff then you can have an extremely competitive system for not that much money...2 Earthquake D2s and a pair of RE SEs can be had for around $1500canadian or less and right now that is what is run by the top car in the US (or one of the top cars) in street A...that is a good deal! And of course the Earthquakes are only cheap because of the huge number of people who got competitor pricing from them which in turn drives down the cost of used product. Now as for competitor pricing being bad I do not agree. It is a progression, you start off running used equipment and if you do well then people will notice you and you can get deals on better stuff brand new so you sell your used stuff to the next guy and get a good deal on new stuff. I personally have bought alot of used stuff and also have gotten alot of stuff at competitor discount and honestly, quite often buying used is a better deal! The only differance is that when you get comp discount you also get a warrenty.
08-19-2003, 06:17 AM
#30
50 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 267
Before I offend anyone here, I'll state that this is just my opinion.
What form of auto sport event is cheap?? My boss races stock cars and after tens of thousands of dollars and four years of struggling just to finish a race, He is finally starting to win. The problem with most new Db draggers I see is that they want instant gratification without any effort. Shocking is right, it costs dick all to get involved in street. But it does involve a lot of determination. Also, I have seen a lot of bad "professsional advice" float around. Nothing worse then a newbie giving a shop $5000 for a "DB drag system" and then get last place, or better yet, not being able to compete because of a rules infraction. DO SOME HOMEWORK! If the shop you are dealing with has never built a first place anything, why should your car be different? Go to the shows yourself, look at the winning cars there, then take what you learned and try it at home in your own car. Ask some people who actually know what they are doing for advice. Then when you get some experience, try some new things you've never seen before. Thats how you stay competitive. BUT IT TAKES A LONG TIME. If you go on the DB drag website and look up the top guys and girls in each class, there's a line of tiny woofers beside each name. Those woofers represent years of service to DB drag. Most people have over four years experience. If not, they have people with more then fours years experience built it. Equipment means jack. All the right stuff is availiable if you know what to look for. Trevor and I have squeezed more then 4 db out of his truck over the past year with out changing any equipment. We just got smarter at the finals by looking at a couple of really loud vehicles and asking questions.
[ August 19, 2003, 07:23 AM: Message edited by: MATMAN ]
What form of auto sport event is cheap?? My boss races stock cars and after tens of thousands of dollars and four years of struggling just to finish a race, He is finally starting to win. The problem with most new Db draggers I see is that they want instant gratification without any effort. Shocking is right, it costs dick all to get involved in street. But it does involve a lot of determination. Also, I have seen a lot of bad "professsional advice" float around. Nothing worse then a newbie giving a shop $5000 for a "DB drag system" and then get last place, or better yet, not being able to compete because of a rules infraction. DO SOME HOMEWORK! If the shop you are dealing with has never built a first place anything, why should your car be different? Go to the shows yourself, look at the winning cars there, then take what you learned and try it at home in your own car. Ask some people who actually know what they are doing for advice. Then when you get some experience, try some new things you've never seen before. Thats how you stay competitive. BUT IT TAKES A LONG TIME. If you go on the DB drag website and look up the top guys and girls in each class, there's a line of tiny woofers beside each name. Those woofers represent years of service to DB drag. Most people have over four years experience. If not, they have people with more then fours years experience built it. Equipment means jack. All the right stuff is availiable if you know what to look for. Trevor and I have squeezed more then 4 db out of his truck over the past year with out changing any equipment. We just got smarter at the finals by looking at a couple of really loud vehicles and asking questions.
[ August 19, 2003, 07:23 AM: Message edited by: MATMAN ]
