SPL?? soft pressure level
12-30-2010, 09:17 AM
#32
lets face it with the numbers how they are, most new commers to SPL cant afford top notch equipment to even come withing 10dB of top scores so they just give up after a couple shows. and if manufacturers stopped building their own vehicles to compete with and bring class scores even higher... why would the young SPLer with a minimum wage job even waste his time.
im not saying your builds are not awsome Murillo, but face it, im sure you've scared away more than just one newbie with your score( im not trying to pick a fight here, just stating opinion)
im not saying your builds are not awsome Murillo, but face it, im sure you've scared away more than just one newbie with your score( im not trying to pick a fight here, just stating opinion)
12-30-2010, 10:49 PM
#33
IMO, blacklisting amps will not work.
USACi did that with AB 5-10 years ago, and what did that accomplish? not much, other than cause alot of pissing and moaning.
AB rated their amps stupidly low at 4 ohms to put them in the lower power classes, wonderful. and USACi banned all the VFL amps that were winning everything. competitors simply found "legal" amps that were rated relatively accurately at 4 ohms, that made huge power well under 1 ohm (ie Mmats, RF power etc). if you couldn't afford those amps, most of which were of pretty good quality and far from cheap, you were automatically at a significant disadvantage. even in the low "power classes".
if you ban one amp, others will be built to get around the rules. just as Jordy said earlier.
without clamping (ie with good meters that are accurate and give repeatable results), competitors will find loopholes. blacklisting amps will also alienate potential new competitors who happen to own those blacklisted amps. with hard-capped clamped power classes, it could also allow the rules on amp #s and electrical rules to die. I can see equipment reliability improving by doing so, never been a fan of the street class electrical rules considering the power that people are making these days.
regardless of what dbdrag figures out, something needs to be done to bring new people in. and not many people are willing to come in if they immediately need to spend thousands (along with all the time needed to build/test/tweak/tune) just to be in the same universe as the top guys....even here in Canada.
USACi did that with AB 5-10 years ago, and what did that accomplish? not much, other than cause alot of pissing and moaning.
AB rated their amps stupidly low at 4 ohms to put them in the lower power classes, wonderful. and USACi banned all the VFL amps that were winning everything. competitors simply found "legal" amps that were rated relatively accurately at 4 ohms, that made huge power well under 1 ohm (ie Mmats, RF power etc). if you couldn't afford those amps, most of which were of pretty good quality and far from cheap, you were automatically at a significant disadvantage. even in the low "power classes".
if you ban one amp, others will be built to get around the rules. just as Jordy said earlier.
without clamping (ie with good meters that are accurate and give repeatable results), competitors will find loopholes. blacklisting amps will also alienate potential new competitors who happen to own those blacklisted amps. with hard-capped clamped power classes, it could also allow the rules on amp #s and electrical rules to die. I can see equipment reliability improving by doing so, never been a fan of the street class electrical rules considering the power that people are making these days.
regardless of what dbdrag figures out, something needs to be done to bring new people in. and not many people are willing to come in if they immediately need to spend thousands (along with all the time needed to build/test/tweak/tune) just to be in the same universe as the top guys....even here in Canada.
12-30-2010, 10:55 PM
#34
2000 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 2,141
thats just it , even in the the street stock classes guys are doing near 150 now , makes it very hard for new competitors to wanna compete regularly , especially when competiors are using companys like ab ,tcc in those classes just isnt a level playing feild
12-30-2010, 11:21 PM
#35
50 Watt CAFz'r
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 89
lets face it with the numbers how they are, most new commers to SPL cant afford top notch equipment to even come withing 10dB of top scores so they just give up after a couple shows. and if manufacturers stopped building their own vehicles to compete with and bring class scores even higher... why would the young SPLer with a minimum wage job even waste his time.
im not saying your builds are not awsome Murillo, but face it, im sure you've scared away more than just one newbie with your score( im not trying to pick a fight here, just stating opinion)
im not saying your builds are not awsome Murillo, but face it, im sure you've scared away more than just one newbie with your score( im not trying to pick a fight here, just stating opinion)
If we had a SD car over here it would me much louder than my own , that is for sure.
12-30-2010, 11:26 PM
#36
50 Watt CAFz'r
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 89
IMO, blacklisting amps will not work.
USACi did that with AB 5-10 years ago, and what did that accomplish? not much, other than cause alot of pissing and moaning.
AB rated their amps stupidly low at 4 ohms to put them in the lower power classes, wonderful. and USACi banned all the VFL amps that were winning everything. competitors simply found "legal" amps that were rated relatively accurately at 4 ohms, that made huge power well under 1 ohm (ie Mmats, RF power etc). if you couldn't afford those amps, most of which were of pretty good quality and far from cheap, you were automatically at a significant disadvantage. even in the low "power classes".
if you ban one amp, others will be built to get around the rules. just as Jordy said earlier.
without clamping (ie with good meters that are accurate and give repeatable results), competitors will find loopholes. blacklisting amps will also alienate potential new competitors who happen to own those blacklisted amps. with hard-capped clamped power classes, it could also allow the rules on amp #s and electrical rules to die. I can see equipment reliability improving by doing so, never been a fan of the street class electrical rules considering the power that people are making these days.
regardless of what dbdrag figures out, something needs to be done to bring new people in. and not many people are willing to come in if they immediately need to spend thousands (along with all the time needed to build/test/tweak/tune) just to be in the same universe as the top guys....even here in Canada.
USACi did that with AB 5-10 years ago, and what did that accomplish? not much, other than cause alot of pissing and moaning.
AB rated their amps stupidly low at 4 ohms to put them in the lower power classes, wonderful. and USACi banned all the VFL amps that were winning everything. competitors simply found "legal" amps that were rated relatively accurately at 4 ohms, that made huge power well under 1 ohm (ie Mmats, RF power etc). if you couldn't afford those amps, most of which were of pretty good quality and far from cheap, you were automatically at a significant disadvantage. even in the low "power classes".
if you ban one amp, others will be built to get around the rules. just as Jordy said earlier.
without clamping (ie with good meters that are accurate and give repeatable results), competitors will find loopholes. blacklisting amps will also alienate potential new competitors who happen to own those blacklisted amps. with hard-capped clamped power classes, it could also allow the rules on amp #s and electrical rules to die. I can see equipment reliability improving by doing so, never been a fan of the street class electrical rules considering the power that people are making these days.
regardless of what dbdrag figures out, something needs to be done to bring new people in. and not many people are willing to come in if they immediately need to spend thousands (along with all the time needed to build/test/tweak/tune) just to be in the same universe as the top guys....even here in Canada.
12-30-2010, 11:31 PM
#37
50 Watt CAFz'r
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 89
fair enough, when I first got the car I was thinking like "well, lets just use the loudest car". To me it was the obvious choice, if you want to hunt and buy a pellet gun you are not doing much of a hunting...
12-31-2010, 01:26 AM
#38
i think ss classes would run much smoother if they were divided. ie. super stock and super street limiting the superstock class to 10kw, manufacturer 1 ohm rating per woofer . this would be the only difference and would attract competitors.
12-31-2010, 09:00 AM
#39
lets face it with the numbers how they are, most new commers to SPL cant afford top notch equipment to even come withing 10dB of top scores so they just give up after a couple shows. and if manufacturers stopped building their own vehicles to compete with and bring class scores even higher... why would the young SPLer with a minimum wage job even waste his time.
im not saying your builds are not awsome Murillo, but face it, im sure you've scared away more than just one newbie with your score( im not trying to pick a fight here, just stating opinion)
im not saying your builds are not awsome Murillo, but face it, im sure you've scared away more than just one newbie with your score( im not trying to pick a fight here, just stating opinion)
Your scores and the scores some of your team has put up are enough to intimidate anyone. (Dave jumps straight to mind)
You even have them posted in your sig so people can know how loud you are...
So don't you think you're kind of doing the same thing? Where's the shame in being loud?
12-31-2010, 09:10 AM
#40
1000 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,151
Just like every car gets meter for Spl, they should also get tested for amp output, and I think a device that can be integrated into the termlab system will benefit and be much easier for competitors and judges. So next to your score would be how much power you produce. Streetstock and any other power limit classes can be easily monitored.
