^ Exactly.

 

Oh boy.

I don't know where to start.

Where's that expert guy, maybe he can explain.

 

It would have to be longer than that my friend.

 

can't wait to hear it...as long as it's not a monster cable explanation

 

I met the 'monster man' (Noel Lee) at Rocky Mountain Audiofest a few years ago. The RMAF is the highest-end of hi-fi audio shows with guys who are incredibly brilliant showing off their gear. I recall one designer who asked him a question about Skin Effect and his response was something about using better neoprene jackets???

 

For skin-diving maybe.....

 

Hello

LOL - I was hoping that was enough, but here's a little more of the picture - electrons don't travel at a constant rate (speed = time = phase) in fact, the only type of energy transmission which has a constant (in a vacuum) is light - outside of a vacuum even light can be decayed etc... (if you want to understand this better just ask and I will shed some light on this as well).

All frequencies travel at different rates through cables and the cable itself is in fact a band-pass filter, decaying low and high frequencies and adding delays to some within the band-pass... the reason for this is that every cable has one order of capacitance, inductance and resistance... therefore phase variances are inherently present, basic fact in all such circuits!

There are other factors, the metals: copper vs. Aluminum, for example - energy travels faster through aluminum then it does copper - and aluminum has a completely different magnitude of inductance and capacitance qualities outside of the resistive differences, to that of copper (in fact copper cable vs. copper cable quality vary) etc... These factors affect frequency response and transparency and system Qtc plus-plus-plus...

There’s even more - cable loss and back-EMF, at high frequencies the cables jacket becomes very important (more so in highly resistive cables) as some of the high frequencies can actually leak out of the cable and at lengths over 8' back - EMF starts to become significant and audible and standing waves start (frequencies start to propagate from one-end of the cable to the other) adding or subtracting energy (at certain frequencies) that we as humans are very sensitive to...

There’s is still more, cable impurities - high frequencies are very sensitive to these and as a result the bass loses detail and the highs becoming bright and the sound stage often becomes underwhelming and inaccurate etc... Keep your cables the same length and cut from the same spool...

Do you need more - please understand that while resistance controls the quantity of electrons within a circuit, it also contributes to the rate at which the resulting electrons are passing: High resistance = lower electron count, but a faster velocity - couple this with capacitance, which is a current delaying component and we now have a slowing, but only at certain frequencies, so there is no constant... and the whole thing becomes very complex, but measurable...

When the electrical qualities of the cable are interconnected with a speaker and an amp, they all sum and output a specific frequency response, with their own unique group delay scores, impulse scores and global phase response scores – if we we’re then to change a single element and retake our objective measurements, all of the scores would changes as would the sound!

Each Sound system has a specific Qtc score at a specific input (Wattage) Qtc is a basic product of a weighted blend of group QMS and QES scores – the amp and cabling contribute to the QES scores and the speaker contributes to both – change anyone and the math changes and if the math changes the sound changes!
Order of greatest change – objective or subjective
1. Speaker
2. Pre-amp
3. Source
4. Amp
5. Cable

In a car, cables are long and have higher losses and the cables degrade faster... but the benefits are often lost or masked to road noise and other unwanted ingression acoustic signals... So in a car, keep the cables as short as possible, of high strand count, and of 99.999% pure oxygen free copper and 16 Gauge AWG! For subs use 12 Gauge... if you’re passing more than 30amps over 6’ use 10 or 8Gauge...

And by the way, there is still more!

If you have a degree in engineering - I will email you the math in a private email...

 

Electrons don't travel at or even near the speed of light - only photons do and only in a vacuum - outside of a vacuum photon are subject to massive decay.

The rate of electron flow is dictated by the material of the medium(s) of which it is passing through... mathematical fact!

Semi-conductors
Super-conductors
Pure Copper
Alloy
Steel
Aluminum
etc...

They all have different resistance - inductances and capacitances’... which affect the arrival time of the energies they are conducting...

 

As well - as a point of fact human hearing is sensitive to the Pico scale...
Which explains why many of the tonal difference we hear between DA convertors.

Using a basic RTA they have looked flat but when we measure the phase response (using more sophisticated gear) we see that the rate at which many DA's process their bandwidths varies greatly...

Noting that CD players with DA's that have delays in the mid band (2-5K) in the Micro or range always sound bright while others with delays in the Nano range sounded smooth...etc...

It's in the phase... that we perceive most differences...

No electronic device produces its entire spectrum of sound within the same interval in time... one day they will but not for at least another 25-years or so... a good amp is a little slow from 20Hz - 200Hz and a above 18 KHz (2-10ms)... Speaker between 20Hz-100Hz regardless of enclosure type will have massive delays ranging from 100-500milliseconds, with the balance of the bandwidth roaming between 2-10ms, accept at the cross-over points, which were things get real messy in most designs... which why most people like active filters over pass, as they mitigate many of the phase issues (but not all).

Phase is the key and it is rooted in resistance and further complicated by inductance and capacitance...

The very best DA's have delay scores in the Pico range - but at 6k plus they should!

Weakest link speakers - all the way!

 

Well you are on the right path but there is more here to understand.

What about after the water makes it out the other side of each hose - is the rate the same then, once both of the capacitances have been satiated?

The answer is it depends on Pressure (Voltage), Resistance each hose.

The longer hose obviously has more capacitance (but once it’s full - it's full) and it's just as obvious that as there is also more surface area or drag, creating more resistance...
Assuming that same amount of water pressure remains constant for each hose and the hoses are identical other then in length - the water coming out of the longer hose will be exiting faster!
Think of your tap as a power supply or an amplifier – they are suppose to output a constant Voltage into a fixed load – if your water supply is able to supply them both with the same amount pressure into each of their fixed loads, the electrons/water will be traveling faster due to the higher resistance in the longer cable... basic algebra...

You want more proof - go turn on your garden hose and once a steady flow comes out the end - press your thumb against the flow - less water will pass (as evidenced by a swelling in the hose) but the water passing your thumb will be traveling faster...

That force can be viewed as Voltage - Voltage is a product of Resistance x the flow of Current (water) - the more resistance the more electrical pressure, pressure is perceivable as a force of mass (water/electrons) x velocity...