dogstar

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Dang guys, your all biased because you live west of Winnipeg.

Lets just all sit tight and wait to see what Jordy says.

silverbane

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Ill have something worthy for next year, I promise. Cash has been kinda tight this year.

JordyO

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I get to test them because I asked nicely

I actually broke 150 at the last show I was at, so that argument is out.

I also managed to do it with only 3000w. (which was measured... with my clamp and dmm)

I don't argue that there are other, MORE qualified people. I just try to be as unbiased as possible which is what everyone here seems to want.

At the end of the day, I don't run or sell Sundown and probably never will. They just aren't what I'm looking for. But in an effort to stop all the bitching I've offered to spend some time with them and post back my findings.

If they only put out 150w I'll be posting it. If they put out 1500w like they're supposed to, I'll post that as well. It makes no difference to me one way or another.

Speaking of... I should make a post specifically asking what people want to see out of this test.... check the spl section and post your opinions guys!

silverbane

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I agree, lets see what Jordy finds out, then the bitching can continue, or end.

sundownz

Putting out a clipped signal I have measured 2200 watts from the SAZ-1500D, as you can see in this video:

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/CIMG1519.AVI

I measured current, then voltage on my Fluke clamp... the other meter shows supply voltage. As you can see there is a regular 1000CA battery and a Kinetik 2400 there being charged by a 40-amp bench supply (50 amps peak). I set the gain all the way up and had no concern for THD or clipping.

The other testing done by Loyd was very mindful of distortion, which is why he got around 1600 @ 12.5 volts -- much less than what I read in the above video while clipping the amp.

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As for testing with the TL and nothing else... thats fine with me, but they aren't going to beat a DD Z1 with one battery in Street dB-Drag, just not going to happen. The Z1 is made to burp huge numbers on one battery wired down incredibly low, thats what it does.

And before the forum gets the wrong idea... the 1500D works TOTALLY fine on a stock electrical @ 1 ohm. When dropped down to 1/4 ohm on one battery, not so much... it loses alot of efficient down that low, especially when the voltage drops due to only have one battery. Especially when you run TWO of them down that low on one battery as Yuli did in his setup.

Given a good electrical setup they will compare with other amps putting out the same amount of power. Which has been the case for customers that have swapped them in their vehicles in the USA. Loudest amps ever? I've never said that... but they do work fine in SPL in the right setup and I have quite a few people using them for SPL.

MOST of my customers use them daily @ 1 ohm, this is what they WERE made for... since people seem to be confused about what they are made for. Simply because they don't work well strapped @ 1/4 ohm each on one batter doesn't mean they don't do just fine @ 1 ohm in a daily car -- this is how 90% of my amps are used.

unholysavage

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Having seen Andy's van, and having a good idea of the amount of experience that was at that show, I'll put my money on A rather than B.

You're correct on the signal matching with gains, but you didn't bother to consider that a line driver was used before insulting people and insinuating that they were incompetent. Competitors don't roll their volumes just to get around protection circuitry. I can see why V.O and Kyle are slightly pissed with what you said, SA.
Kyle should have provided more info on the setup, but the guys who got grumpy at the results could have asked a few more questions on setup etc before slinging crap back.

This isn't aimed at Sundown, or any amp in particular, but just because amps share the same board doesn't mean that they all make the same power. If they use the exact same components, sure, but I haven't heard of any that do. And depending on the components used, the differences can be substantial. I've seen several claims on TP and elsewhere that the Cactus 5k consistently meters 0.3-0.5db higher than the Atomic 5k. Hell, I'm running AB 150.1s, which have the same board as the SPL-D 2000d and Hifonics BX2200d. It's common knowledge that they aren't all equal (in price or performance).

I'm still laughing at how guys like Smartass have lumped all westerners into the same pot. I live out west, but have absolutely no issues at all with Sundown (or anything that isn't late-90s RF or PG LOL!) - I'm still patiently waiting for someone up here to test the 3000d.
What I do have issues with are idiots that lump all people together based on what a select few have said. There are dozens of competitors out west, but only a few are anti-Sundown. As difficult as it might be for some people to understand, we don't all think alike or have the same opinions.
*shakes head*

I think Jordy is a good guy to test these amps. Hopefully that will end this gongshow. If his setup/electrical is adequate, it would be nice to see a test done on the 3000d as well. I myself am more interested in limited battery testing (ie street setups), but it would be nice to see what they're capable of in a street beater setup as well. Any chance of that?

sundownz

I will likely get Jordy to test a 3000D as well. They do better than the 1500D in a limited battery setup since they lack internal fusing... the internal fuses in the 1500D cause a good bit of voltage drop when they amps are ran well under 1 ohm. They get very hot to the touch @ loads the amp wasn't made for, obviously robbing efficiency.

JordyO

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If/when I get the 3000w Sundown I'll be able to do a straight comparison between it and my SPL Dynamics amp.