Sundown testing.
08-13-2007, 10:20 AM
#43
Originally Posted by Prolifik
yah u dont make spl amps.......so what kind of a test are you looking for?? an sq test?
08-13-2007, 10:24 AM
#44
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this thread is really really awesome.
i kinda get the feeling that any test that shows the sundowns in a disappointing manor will be considered biased.
Are the sundowns really that horribly innefficient that you cant even burp two of them one one big battery for street A?
i kinda get the feeling that any test that shows the sundowns in a disappointing manor will be considered biased.
Are the sundowns really that horribly innefficient that you cant even burp two of them one one big battery for street A?
08-13-2007, 10:27 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by Street C Massa
this thread is really really awesome.
i kinda get the feeling that any test that shows the sundowns in a disappointing manor will be considered biased.
Are the sundowns really that horribly innefficient that you cant even burp two of them one one big battery for street A?
i kinda get the feeling that any test that shows the sundowns in a disappointing manor will be considered biased.
Are the sundowns really that horribly innefficient that you cant even burp two of them one one big battery for street A?
Have you SEEN the insides of a Z1? It's made to burp off limited electrical setups. DD built it from the ground up to do this and only this. You *can* burp the 1500Ds on one battery, sure, but they are NOT the best amp for the job. Hell... I'll test a Z1 vs. two 1500Ds with one battery and post the Z1 being louder... it will be, period. Never said the Z1 isn't better for Street-A, it is.
Nobody has ever claimed they are the best Street-A amplifier... what I AM claiming is that they will easily do their rated power and more off an even remotely adequate electrical system. Showing that the Z1 burps higher with one battery does NOT disprove this. Incorrectly setting the gains on the 1500D and measuring power also does NOT disprove this.
Seems rather simple to me.
Last edited by sundownz; 08-13-2007 at 10:29 AM.
08-13-2007, 10:33 AM
#47
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I'll break it down in one post to make it easy:
* The Z1 is a better single battery SPL amp than a pair of 1500Ds, sure. This does NOT show that the 1500Ds won't do their rated power.
* If you fail to set the gains properly on an amplifier it won't reach it's full output potential. No crap... I can't believe that experienced guys got together and ran such a flawed test.
* An amplifier seeing a lower impedance load is not a fair comparison to one seeing a 21.6% higher load. Look at the numbers... again, the test was flawed.
* If someone wants to test a 1500D with a realistic electrical setup I have no problem with that. Why? Because they simply do rated power, period. Make sure you know how to set a gain ****, though...
* The Z1 is a better single battery SPL amp than a pair of 1500Ds, sure. This does NOT show that the 1500Ds won't do their rated power.
* If you fail to set the gains properly on an amplifier it won't reach it's full output potential. No crap... I can't believe that experienced guys got together and ran such a flawed test.
* An amplifier seeing a lower impedance load is not a fair comparison to one seeing a 21.6% higher load. Look at the numbers... again, the test was flawed.
* If someone wants to test a 1500D with a realistic electrical setup I have no problem with that. Why? Because they simply do rated power, period. Make sure you know how to set a gain ****, though...
08-13-2007, 10:54 AM
#48
^^ Agreed, the bitch from day one was they will not make there rated or posted power. Not that a 1500 will beat one PB3000 or that a pair will beat a Z1. Its about posted power. These are everyday daily use amps. Not one note wonders. So lets end it like that.
Jacob has told me he is willing to send a couple of amps up for a non-bias power testing. And if anyone has the proper gear to do so including MMC's, clamps and the electrical system to do so then let me know.
Thanks
Jacob has told me he is willing to send a couple of amps up for a non-bias power testing. And if anyone has the proper gear to do so including MMC's, clamps and the electrical system to do so then let me know.
Thanks
08-13-2007, 10:58 AM
#49
I'm no spl guy, nor am I a real pro, but I keep reading you stating that you want a "realistic electrical system"
Please define.
IMO, a realistic "street" use system has a single battery under the hood, or on rare occasion, in the trunk.
Are you saying that your Sundown amps are not going to perform properly in your average customer car?
Ok, fine. So your amps are SPL monsters, meant only for competition in multi battery installs?
Um, wait, no, you have already said that your amps are not meant for max SPL burps...
Call me confused, but I think you lost me a while back... maybe this is my lack of experience, or something, but please explain if you guys don't mind helping a new guy.
Please define.
IMO, a realistic "street" use system has a single battery under the hood, or on rare occasion, in the trunk.
Are you saying that your Sundown amps are not going to perform properly in your average customer car?
Ok, fine. So your amps are SPL monsters, meant only for competition in multi battery installs?
Um, wait, no, you have already said that your amps are not meant for max SPL burps...
Call me confused, but I think you lost me a while back... maybe this is my lack of experience, or something, but please explain if you guys don't mind helping a new guy.
