JordyO

iTrader: (17)

lol... no, you can't say "I told you so" because I never claimed the Sundows will do anyting!

I'm just questioning your belief of 1 test over 3-4 others... (and yes, I know that these tests were done by some very respected guys, but Lloyd Lowry isn't exactly a nobody either)

Btw.. I also said I wouldn't buy the Sundowns even if I test 4500 watts out of them, so we're both in agreement on that one!

Gen1_Rx7

Yea Bro i know we were not doing any "Real" testing at this last comp but i just wanted to state what our comparisons were - i was to tired to do anything by the end of that comp - i hadnt slept in 2 days as we only started the install in that Rx7 on Friday (we had to install all the interior pieces and change out the starter in that time as well as ALL the audio install and box design + build) How long have you been doing SPL?

Gen1_Rx7

yes he did have a 1.2DB gain over the strapped sundowns (at .5ohms instead of the 2.4 we were running to the sundowns) Ryan and the Z1 also have a little bit better of an electrical setup as compared that of the Rx7 and we had unblocked the ports for the Z1 test (now maybe i am just too "new" but i would hope that these factors would account for something) Now i'm not saying we had a totally accurate test we werent really testing the difference in the amps at that point i just wanted to see what the Z1 would do with my subs and for all i know ryan may have been testing at half volume (you will have to ask him)

I really dont care what people say about my sundown setup as i have been happy with it and have seen what it does in my daily driver setups

I simply wanted to start a post to state what we observed at the Fx Comp. i do not care what people think of my sundowns as i know i hit a 145.5Db with a strapped pair at 2.2Ohms with less than to be desired electricals (a less than fully charged RedTop with voltage low enough that my alpine deck turned off)

And dont you think that the Z1 Should show an increase over the sundowns regardless of my setup
2 sundowns strapped = 3000 watts @ 2 ohms (we ran 2.2)
1 DD Z1 = 5000Watts at 1Ohm (we ran 0.5)
Now again i do not know ryans setup and i do not know what he was regularly pushing for power from his setup but i would assume that the Z1 would always show an increase over the sundowns and if thats not the case there is a problem - so dont use that in your argument against Sundown!

worldind

iTrader: (17)

The Z1 is rated for 3000 at one ohm (you're probably thinking Z1a)... I'd be happy to get 3000rms at .5 ohms out of it, it's probably somewhere around there...

As for my splzing, I only started legitimate competing this year, but I've been into the hobby for 4 or 5 years.

Gen1_Rx7

Sorry i was Thinking Z1a (you should get one) Still it does not seem like such an amazingly huge difference all things concidered

Gen1_Rx7

We still were not able to push anywhere near 3000 watts

unholysavage

iTrader: (1)

Unless I misread something, 2 ohms strapped means each amp is seeing 1 ohm nominal (or did you already take that into account?).

IIRC, Clay clamped his Z1 at 2700wrms at 1.1 ohms reactive in his truck. If I remember the thread on 0Hz, that was at his burp frequency and loudest point on the TL. Purely a single battery street #.

Rip Rock

next time you decide to test, contorl the factors that you can control. voltage, temp, impedance to get more accurate results. testing after a show in a parking lot is a bunk way to test and a good way to stir up crap. ie don't do tests in the blistering heat, then do an amp swap and test at a way cooler temp. always burp at the same voltage as well.

1.2db's is a huge gain. if you can gain 1.7db's or higher that is almost perfect for doubling power. think about it that way.. this is "Real word" DB gains, not paper/ theory crap.

worldind

iTrader: (17)

I agree, I mean take our little "Test" with several thousand grains of salt... for the most part, it was just a half-*** procedure for kicks. There are way too many confounding variables (Read: different electrical, different impedance, different deck, so on so forth) for our throw-together method to imply any type of causation... although it was cool to see a significantly higher number nonetheless.

Gen1_Rx7

Yea i know that the amps will see 1ohm but our Cliff Subs are 5 years old and are no longer "perfrect" and we were not seeing the 1 ohm per amp we tried for or wanted - and i did not want to post this as a definite test - i am sorry if it came across as my stating test results as "accurate" i tried to state it as what we seen using the testing factors we had. We were seeing results merely using TL.

I do not want this post to turn into some melee like others and was not posting this to start crap. i have been reading other posts and seen what some people are saying and cannot believe the way people are representing this Sport!

I Do not want people to read my thread and or anyone else's threads with some of the bashing going around - if i were trying to get into this sport and read some of the crap people have been saying as of late i would turn around, go home and start building model railways instead lol.

This was not my intent with this thread and i am sorry if poeple thought i was just trying to start another "royal rumble" i was simply trying to put as much info out there as i can as to what i have seen