1 JL W6V2 vs Two Apline 12" Type R
#31
I can't give an opinion on both subs as I have never heard the Alpine sub's.. But what I can say is i have owned both of JL's lower end subs (w0's / w3's) and have been quite happy with them. Providing your not over powering them and crossed over properly they work great.
#33
I'd go the type r's, cause thats what i have now...and i think they were a good choice.
But if i was to do it all over again, and could afford to buy everything at once instead of piecing it together over like 3 years....i'd buy a single w6v2 or v3 whatever they're on....then buy another one a year down the road.
can't debate 2 w6's vs 2 type r's can ya?
But if i was to do it all over again, and could afford to buy everything at once instead of piecing it together over like 3 years....i'd buy a single w6v2 or v3 whatever they're on....then buy another one a year down the road.
can't debate 2 w6's vs 2 type r's can ya?
#35
Originally posted by defro:
there are many speakers with ideal parameters on paper that sound poorly, you cant tell by numbers on paper if a speaker will sound good.
there are many speakers with ideal parameters on paper that sound poorly, you cant tell by numbers on paper if a speaker will sound good.
#36
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very easy, the visonik 12" woofer that you can get at xcess cargo ,v8212d, look at the parameters, strong bl, low fx, tons of linear excursion, decent sinsitivity and the things sound plain old bad, i have seen quite a few of these(xcess cargo in muy area sells lots) som my experience isnt based on 1 woofer in one vehicle. if you require more examples i can give you them. by your reasoning, if the parameters on paper will tell you if speaker is any good, will a good computer program not tell you if the box will sound good, you can print the design onto paper. btw are you saying that leap is always wrong, is this not the same program that all respectable woofer companies use for enclosure analysis or do they build a hundred boxes untill they get it right and then print box suggestions.
#37
Umm.. linear excursion is LOW IMO, considering pe. And you don't even know what they consider 'linear'...
Also you have NO IDEA HOW FLAT BL IS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T JUST A PARAMETER- Having a high BL dosnen't mean anything on its own...
A HIGHER SENSITIVITY 1w/1m @ 1khz GENERALLY MEANS JACK FOR A SUB (so what is decent about it?)
You really need to stop debating stuff Iam not even talking about
Also you have NO IDEA HOW FLAT BL IS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T JUST A PARAMETER- Having a high BL dosnen't mean anything on its own...
A HIGHER SENSITIVITY 1w/1m @ 1khz GENERALLY MEANS JACK FOR A SUB (so what is decent about it?)
You really need to stop debating stuff Iam not even talking about
#38
For everyone else, its the discussion of the standard parameters and what they really mean, how they were derived, ect.. that I see as being relavent when discussing how good a speaker/sub will sound in a proper enclosure...
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you asked for a speaker with good t/s parameters that doesnt sound very good and i gave it to you, now you debate the validity of the parameters you try use as a guide to how good a speaker is by saying that published parameters might be untrue, so you really cant tell if a speaker is good by the parameters because they might be manipulated by the manufacturer to seems better than they really are, unless im missing something in this discussion. you stated that you can tell if a speaker is going to sound good by looking at certain parameters, and that i really question, and so you must as well if the parameters we get arent right, is there 2 haunz' replying because you seem to say something in one post and something different in the next, kinda like bizarro huanz(for those who dont know what im talking about bizarro is from a seinfeld episode)
#40
You don't get it..
all I said was high Xmax with linear BL and low distortion caused by Le.
See if you can find a subwoofer with all that that sounds bad in its intended application... you won't.. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
Xmax params arnt always derived the same way.. which is why I'd want to discuss them... The other stuff I menion either needs to be explained by the manufacturer or be tested independently...
[ October 20, 2004, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: Haunz ]
all I said was high Xmax with linear BL and low distortion caused by Le.
See if you can find a subwoofer with all that that sounds bad in its intended application... you won't.. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
Xmax params arnt always derived the same way.. which is why I'd want to discuss them... The other stuff I menion either needs to be explained by the manufacturer or be tested independently...
[ October 20, 2004, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: Haunz ]