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^Edited my first post to clarify my position.

mike bisson

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Come on Tim, how would you know anything? You only won the world finals... AAAAAAAA is right -- you should test install the speakers in a car for everyone that comes in your store and then they can buy it off the internet...

zoomer

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Agree to both listen on a sound board and in car. I have a set of Infinity Kappa coaxials runing of a pioneer head unit and a small subwoofer in my wif'e honda minivan. I had a set of polk Momo coaxials with an extra external vifa tweeter in my own minivan runing of a separate RF power amp and sub. I have a stock Ford Fusion right now.
Of course the coaxial momos off the amp can play very high and clear. But for ordinary listening pleasure the infinity Kappas are tops, followed by the Stock ford fusion setup!. Yes at normal listening levels the stock Fusion even more enjoyable to listen to than the kilodollar setup in my ex minivan! So it is a combination of equipment and setup. With all that fancy equipment I still could not get it to sound right....

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I was not saying people should do that. Mike.

And of course Tim owms whatever I say.

There we go.

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Although lets face it, Tim isnt the typical consumer when it comes to car audio, and he probably actually knows what he wants from experience as compared to regular joes who really dont know what sound quality is or what to listen for.

Tim Baillie.

Actually I am saying that as a business owner it is not fair to a client for me to tell him what my best or THE best sounding speakers are, he needs to listen to them himself and decide. I can sell the speakers I think sound good all day long, but if the client doesn't like them then they were the wrong ones to sell.

The term "sound quality" and what it represents really doesn't matter with the average joe, all that matters to them is what sounds nice to them, I have built and designed systems that sounded like snot because that is the way the client wanted them, and that is the sound that he likes and wanted. It's not my place to produce something that I find appealing and not him in the interest of sound quality.

It all boils down to the owner of the speaker enjoying the sound that he has to listen to for the time that he owns those speakers, that is sound quality......

zoomer

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Unless you are experienced and know exactly what you are doing, it is cheaper in the long run to go to a local shop, talk to them about what you want to accomplish and be loyal to them. They can recommend the right equipment that works together and that can be flexible enough to grow with you. I saw to many guys come in my shop with some cheap sub box and ask for an amp to work with it, and then you find out it is an 8 ohm sub and has to buy a new one... I have seen all sorts of other ways that guys think they saved money by blindly buying on the internet thinking they got this amazing deal and finding out that it wont work properly with anything... Just see that other post of a guy buying a box with 3 subs in it and no way to connect it properly to an amp.

Working with a local store you can try out various components to see what fits, get good aftersales service and get good recomendations.

I do admit that some US internet deals on name brand equipment is hard to resist... I do not know how to solve this issue save making the US and Canada one wide open market. Right now the US market is a free for all with all sorts of distributors buying tons of equipment to get good deals and rebates and flushing the excess on the internet. The Canadian market is too small and controlled for that. A few Pioneer reps across canada can name all the stores in the country and can easily track down any dealers selling cheaply on the internet. The sad thing is that big boys like Futureshop use thier clout to be allowed selling on the internet to anyone anywhere in Canada but a small store is not allowed. That is bullshit, on the other hand it does protect dealer prices...it still is hard in Canada for a little guy to make some money without always being undercut by an internet only dealer that does not have to pay rent and employees.

The big companies are learning. I went back to my old store and spoke with the current owner. He said that the the Walmart's and Coscos sell US origin merchandise that they simply order thru head office at US prices. In order to compete, the smaller chaines had to threaten to do the same unless the Toshibas, Panasonics etc matched US prices in Canada. Cant wait till the Pioneer, Alpine and Infinity and friends do the same. I still think that Canadian wholesale prices are too high compared to the US. And that for many different kind of merchandise... Was looking for a pair of shoes for my wife... US$70 on the US internet (But cannot ship to canada) and CAN$140 retail in Canada...finally found them for $120CDN with free shipping and no PST here in Canada...We are being screwed...but we do have free healtcare!

Enjoy the snow!

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If I were you, beeing an SQ champ and all, I would milk that for all its worth as oposed to letting punk kids have me install crappy sounding systems in their ride. Of course its not me and in your shoes I might see things differently.

I'm not insinuating the highest priced item, maybe more like pushing the install and having a show room demo of a bad installation and a good installation for effect.

Like I mentinoed before though, a lot of people just dont know really what they like since they havend ever been exposed to great sound. So if they are use to listening to distortion (and beleive me, alot of people are) how are they to know what a good system is? I suppose my point could be further proven by people continuously asking on forums like this wich is the best sounding speaker. they want to know what people have liked with them since they might lack experience in what to look for or the ability to listen to it themselves or both... and also lets not forget that they might want to follow the hype, but thats mostly subwoofers and internet guys anyway.



And not sound quality

Twenty2

If I had more experence with speakers in this price range I'd be glad to give advice

But I have a request from all of you that do have experience (as on my next ride I'm going to ask for similar advice), pick some set's of speakers in this price range and give advice on what they sound like (like their tonal qualities,, ie. the tweeter is tinny/harsh, or it's more of a mellow tweeter with really warm mids).

thats why I'm hear to get advice on the kind of things I can't do myself by either a) not competeing, or b) not being part of the industry

Twenty2

To sumerize my last post
basically instead of looking at the question as "I have this much $$ what should I get?"

look at it this way "If you had my ride with my gear and this budget to do a comp upgrade what would you pick and why?"

that would save alot of constant debate about how asking "what should I get?" is a stupid question

there are no stupid questions, but lots of stupid awnsers


and obviously I mean no disrespect to anyone, I love this forum, but it's frustrating to see the people with experience say "my experience is useless to you go get your own"