Best 6.5" comp. for $400-$600
01-16-2007, 03:52 PM
#31
Originally Posted by Tim Baillie.
Your only about 35% right, the install is going to make a difference on the imaging, staging and maybe the lower end response but it will not make a difference (99%) in the tonality of the speaker, a harsh tweeter is going to be the same in a car or not in a car, the emptiness of a midrange is usually the same.....
but the differences in extention, peaks in response, not to mention quality factor between a 2cube door, a .5cube display enclosure, and a .2cube kick panel are going to be tremendous and IMO a good quality setup is all about picking the right speaker for the application.
Anytime I am picking out midrange or midbass speakers I start with 1. budget 2. basic things like size and power handeling. 3. computer modeling of the speakers to determine if I will get the desired extention and flat response with the Q factor I want in the air space available. 4. Once you have the speakers you can also test actual ts, off axis response, then start playing with install and response curves and finally tweek with EQ...
thats my recipe anyway
01-16-2007, 04:02 PM
#32
Originally Posted by Tim Baillie.
It will make a difference but to the average person you won't notice it, can he play them on deck power only ?
they are only hooked up through the amp... i asked that same question while i was there
....i have a question... if my amp puts out 100w rms... would i ruin speakers rated for 70w rms... or can i use speakers with a lower rating... like the focal 165 v1's?
01-16-2007, 07:25 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by DruidB
ok i actually found a local shop that has a focal display... i heard the
165kp2's they sound great IMO... but on his soundboard he is using a deck with 6v pre outs and a focal amp... i have a jvc with 2.5v preouts and a rockford fosgate amp good for 100w rms x2... does preout voltage matter for SQ? or is it just so you can run your amp gain lower? will they sound good running off my equipment?
im a noob when it comes to this stuff...
165kp2's they sound great IMO... but on his soundboard he is using a deck with 6v pre outs and a focal amp... i have a jvc with 2.5v preouts and a rockford fosgate amp good for 100w rms x2... does preout voltage matter for SQ? or is it just so you can run your amp gain lower? will they sound good running off my equipment?
im a noob when it comes to this stuff...
you can't go wrong with the Focals...... even the Access line is quite good for the money (@ $400 level) when installed properly.
The preamp voltage (6v vs 2.5v) will effect the signal to noise and the dynamics range to some degree..... (assuming the gain are set accordingly). but it still depends on the "quality" of the preamp of the deck, like low impedance (10 ohms to 220 ohms) , 15v+/- ps for the opamps, better parts in the signal path etc and not just the voltage alone.
They should sound fine with your equipment.... atleast it wouldn't make your equipment sound less then what they are. and 100w should be o.k...... specially if you add subs to the system, then you could run a hi-pass filter on the Focals.
01-16-2007, 07:45 PM
#34
IF, that's a big if, I'd had the money back when i was buying speakers, last spring, I would have bought the focals K2. I went to Chase, where i got my alpine switch, but the price was outrageous.
I had to settle for the MBQuart and i'm not too disappointed.
There is a big difference between a 100 and a 200 dollar speaker.
There is less difference between a 200 and 300 dollar speaker.
there is even less difference between a 300 and a 400 dollar speaker.
I don't need to go on,
By the time you get to 600 dollar speakers, there isn't much difference between brands, because they all sound pretty realistic, as well they should for that price.
I'd say 100 wrms amp is just right for the K2P.
Again, after much searching, the MBQ qsd216 looks like a better deal.
I had to settle for the MBQuart and i'm not too disappointed.
There is a big difference between a 100 and a 200 dollar speaker.
There is less difference between a 200 and 300 dollar speaker.
there is even less difference between a 300 and a 400 dollar speaker.
I don't need to go on,
By the time you get to 600 dollar speakers, there isn't much difference between brands, because they all sound pretty realistic, as well they should for that price.
I'd say 100 wrms amp is just right for the K2P.
Again, after much searching, the MBQ qsd216 looks like a better deal.
01-16-2007, 07:53 PM
#35
Originally Posted by Tom.F.1
IF, that's a big if, I'd had the money back when i was buying speakers, last spring, I would have bought the focals K2. I went to Chase, where i got my alpine switch, but the price was outrageous.
I had to settle for the MBQuart and i'm not too disappointed.
There is a big difference between a 100 and a 200 dollar speaker.
There is less difference between a 200 and 300 dollar speaker.
there is even less difference between a 300 and a 400 dollar speaker.
I don't need to go on,
By the time you get to 600 dollar speakers, there isn't much difference between brands, because they all sound pretty realistic, as well they should for that price.
I'd say 100 wrms amp is just right for the K2P.
Again, after much searching, the MBQ qsd216 looks like a better deal.
I had to settle for the MBQuart and i'm not too disappointed.
There is a big difference between a 100 and a 200 dollar speaker.
There is less difference between a 200 and 300 dollar speaker.
there is even less difference between a 300 and a 400 dollar speaker.
I don't need to go on,
By the time you get to 600 dollar speakers, there isn't much difference between brands, because they all sound pretty realistic, as well they should for that price.
I'd say 100 wrms amp is just right for the K2P.
Again, after much searching, the MBQ qsd216 looks like a better deal.
01-16-2007, 08:19 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by Tom.F.1
There is a big difference between a 100 and a 200 dollar speaker.
There is less difference between a 200 and 300 dollar speaker.
there is even less difference between a 300 and a 400 dollar speaker.
I don't need to go on,
By the time you get to 600 dollar speakers, there isn't much difference between brands, because they all sound pretty realistic, as well they should for that price.
There is less difference between a 200 and 300 dollar speaker.
there is even less difference between a 300 and a 400 dollar speaker.
I don't need to go on,
By the time you get to 600 dollar speakers, there isn't much difference between brands, because they all sound pretty realistic, as well they should for that price.
The $600 level is actually when they're just "starting" to sound good, but not realistic...... and it is till you reach like the $2000+ level is when it sounds close to real. at this level, the installation will makes or breaks the performance of the speakers.
01-16-2007, 09:03 PM
#37
No one mentioned http://www.seaslotus.com/ . I always hear great stuff about this company, however my ears haven't heard a set yet. Plus I just got LoudSpeaker Desgin Cookbook 7th ed and the author mentions the SEAS speakers a lot.
01-16-2007, 11:54 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by SweetnLow91SC
^ disagree totally.......
The $600 level is actually when they're just "starting" to sound good, but not realistic...... and it is till you reach like the $2000+ level is when it sounds close to real. at this level, the installation will makes or breaks the performance of the speakers.
The $600 level is actually when they're just "starting" to sound good, but not realistic...... and it is till you reach like the $2000+ level is when it sounds close to real. at this level, the installation will makes or breaks the performance of the speakers.
And no combination of speakers, HU's, amps' etc., regardless of cost, can ever approach a sound which you refer to as "realistic" when playing the vast majority of commercially recorded music. In fact, I seriously doubt anyone would even enjoy it if it did approach the sound of a real concert or pre-mixed live studio recording. And I'm not referring to volume levels.
And, I'd bet most people would not do well on double blind listening tests when comparing a $300 set of components to a $1200 set. One can spend $1,000 on a set of marquis components, and feel some satisfaction that he or she has indulged in a recognized brand name accepted by his peers. But knowledgeable people often do better for far less. The key is to know what kind of sound you want, how to go about getting it, dismissing all marketing hype, avoiding peer pressure, and taking most brand endorsements with a grain of salt. There is just so much mis-information tossed about in car audio it boggles the mind.
01-17-2007, 12:44 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by 6talldog
no combination of speakers, HU's, amps' etc., regardless of cost, can ever approach a sound which you refer to as "realistic" when playing the vast majority of commercially recorded music. In fact, I seriously doubt anyone would even enjoy it if it did approach the sound of a real concert or pre-mixed live studio recording. And I'm not referring to volume levels.
realistic dosn't mean just being loud like concert level loudness. It is about the resolution, vividness, atmosphere...... being able to hear and feel the instrument as real as if it was in the car, and you could almost touch the intrument and play a few notes yourself.
But knowledgeable people often do better for far less. The key is to know what kind of sound you want, how to go about getting it, dismissing all marketing hype, avoiding peer pressure, and taking most brand endorsements with a grain of salt. There is just so much mis-information tossed about in car audio it boggles the mind.
you could alway use raw driver like from Seas, Vifa, Scanspeaks, Audio Technology etc and build your own x-over. but this thread is about off the shelf car audio speakers not DIY.
01-17-2007, 12:46 AM
#40
6talldog, perhaps before you question the source of the materials you just spoke about, you should perhaps know whom it is and their background as well. You might just be surprised at the educated responses that some of the people on this site may offer....
