Sundown testing... the build up.
08-14-2007, 11:06 AM
#1
Sundown testing... the build up.
Ok guys... so I'd like to know what sort of information you'd like out of the Sundown testing that I'll be doing.
If we can come to some sort of mutual agreement then I'll do my best to get all of the info I can.
All of the testing will obviously be done in the Panda. I have one of those Powercell 4000 batteries to back it up. If you guys want I also have a secondary 1000cca battery that I can throw in to make sure voltage drop is minimal. If it's still a problem I think I can get my hands on a few batteries from a SS vehicle around here and make SURE that there is no drop at all during testing. I'm just not sure if you'd want me to go that far since it wouldn't be a realistic "street" setup. If they still have the batteries available that I think they do then we could also do a 18v test, but to be honest I'm not sure I even want to bother since all the talk has been around their 12v numbers.
The HU I'm using is an Alpine with 4v output. No line drivers. (so yes, the gains will be adjusted....)
For nominal impedence loads I can show the amps a whole bunch of options. I have dual 4's, dual 1's and dual 1.4 Ohm subs so I can do just about any combination you can make from those coils to either one amp or a strapped pair.
The only down side to this that people may bitch about is that I don't have Fluke meters. I have other True-RMS clamps and DMMs but I know people get antsy when they don't see the Fluke name. I still think these would work well enough to show whether these amps are putting out 1500w on 12v or if a pair is only putting out 1500w at 18v
So... what else?
If we can come to some sort of mutual agreement then I'll do my best to get all of the info I can.
All of the testing will obviously be done in the Panda. I have one of those Powercell 4000 batteries to back it up. If you guys want I also have a secondary 1000cca battery that I can throw in to make sure voltage drop is minimal. If it's still a problem I think I can get my hands on a few batteries from a SS vehicle around here and make SURE that there is no drop at all during testing. I'm just not sure if you'd want me to go that far since it wouldn't be a realistic "street" setup. If they still have the batteries available that I think they do then we could also do a 18v test, but to be honest I'm not sure I even want to bother since all the talk has been around their 12v numbers.
The HU I'm using is an Alpine with 4v output. No line drivers. (so yes, the gains will be adjusted....)
For nominal impedence loads I can show the amps a whole bunch of options. I have dual 4's, dual 1's and dual 1.4 Ohm subs so I can do just about any combination you can make from those coils to either one amp or a strapped pair.
The only down side to this that people may bitch about is that I don't have Fluke meters. I have other True-RMS clamps and DMMs but I know people get antsy when they don't see the Fluke name. I still think these would work well enough to show whether these amps are putting out 1500w on 12v or if a pair is only putting out 1500w at 18v
So... what else?
08-14-2007, 11:23 AM
#2
lol this amps seems to have been made for some un-earthly application so who knows what kind of a test you can do. if you do a test on a normal electrical with voltage drop they sundown dude will say the test is biased and you need a better electrical. if you do it on an electrical system with no voltage drop the test will just be unrealistic for that amp since apperantly it was not made for spl application to have many batteries behind it.
you should take it up on a roof of the tallest building in Ottawa and toss it down, see if it glows while air born.
what i personally think is the dude that makes/sells these amps has totally killed the product's credibility. After reading many of his replies I, to be honest, do not really care to see any test of this amp anymore. But that's just what i think.
Let's think, what is the point of YET another test of this amp? Is someone that insecure in their product? It's only a 1500 watt amp, who really cares if it makes that or not? All the kids around the block seem to love this amp, let's just leave it at that.
you should take it up on a roof of the tallest building in Ottawa and toss it down, see if it glows while air born.
what i personally think is the dude that makes/sells these amps has totally killed the product's credibility. After reading many of his replies I, to be honest, do not really care to see any test of this amp anymore. But that's just what i think.
Let's think, what is the point of YET another test of this amp? Is someone that insecure in their product? It's only a 1500 watt amp, who really cares if it makes that or not? All the kids around the block seem to love this amp, let's just leave it at that.
08-14-2007, 11:24 AM
#3
Originally Posted by Prolifik
lol this amps seems to have been made for some un-earthly application so who knows what kind of a test you can do. if you do a test on a normal electrical with voltage drop they sundown dude will say the test is biased and you need a better electrical. if you do it on an electrical system with no voltage drop the test will just be unrealistic for that amp since apperantly it was not made for spl application to have many batteries behind it.
you should take it up on a roof of the tallest building in Ottawa and toss it down, see if it glows while air born.
what i personally think is the dude that makes/sells these amps has totally killed the product's credibility. After reading many of his replies I, to be honest, do not really care to see any test of this amp anymore. But that's just what i think.
Let's think, what is the point of YET another test of this amp? Is someone that insecure in their product? It's only a 1500 watt amp, who really cares if it makes that or not? All the kids around the block seem to love this amp, let's just leave it at that.
you should take it up on a roof of the tallest building in Ottawa and toss it down, see if it glows while air born.
what i personally think is the dude that makes/sells these amps has totally killed the product's credibility. After reading many of his replies I, to be honest, do not really care to see any test of this amp anymore. But that's just what i think.
Let's think, what is the point of YET another test of this amp? Is someone that insecure in their product? It's only a 1500 watt amp, who really cares if it makes that or not? All the kids around the block seem to love this amp, let's just leave it at that.
08-14-2007, 11:27 AM
#4
like really who cares what kind of results either of the tests revealed? what is this another test gonna prove? do you have your fingers crossed for this test? are you dying in anticipation to see what kind of result it will produce?
if you dont like the Edmonton test then take the amps and send them back to whomever did the more favourable test, let them test it again, and again, and again to produce better results over and over again so then everyone is happy and no longer heart broken over the Edmonton test. This amp is all hype just like 90% of other "sundown" like brands, take a 2000 watt board from a few years ago, "redesign" it abit, put a 1500 watt label on it and there you go, you have a 1500 watt amp that does over 1500 watts. All marketing. All these unneccessary tests will do is keep the brand/model afloat for a lil longer until the 3000 watt version comes out, then it will be new hype all over.
if you dont like the Edmonton test then take the amps and send them back to whomever did the more favourable test, let them test it again, and again, and again to produce better results over and over again so then everyone is happy and no longer heart broken over the Edmonton test. This amp is all hype just like 90% of other "sundown" like brands, take a 2000 watt board from a few years ago, "redesign" it abit, put a 1500 watt label on it and there you go, you have a 1500 watt amp that does over 1500 watts. All marketing. All these unneccessary tests will do is keep the brand/model afloat for a lil longer until the 3000 watt version comes out, then it will be new hype all over.
Last edited by Prolifik; 08-14-2007 at 11:33 AM.
08-14-2007, 11:33 AM
#5
Originally Posted by Prolifik
like really who cares what kind of results either of the tests revealed? what is this another test gonna prove? do you have your fingers crossed for this test? are you dying in anticipation to see what kind of result it will produce?
08-14-2007, 11:36 AM
#6
lol ok sure, so we gonna try and have a test with a positive result in an attempt to offset the test with negative results? Dude, its all marketing. This is only helping the sundown people and I give them credit for creating such buzz with such simple product.
08-14-2007, 11:38 AM
#7
I would like to see what it will do in an "average" car.
100-150 amp alternator, single OEM type battery, alpine deck, some speakers and a 1 ohm load.
I think that is closer to reality than most of the applications that have been listed for this amp.
Lets face it, sundownz has admitted it's not an spl monster, and that it's not optimized for "street" class competition. Kind of a red headed step child, do you beat it or praise it?
So, IMO the question of you Jordy, is prove what this amp is good for.
Does it do rated power at rated load in a normal every day car, or is it a piece of crap?
100-150 amp alternator, single OEM type battery, alpine deck, some speakers and a 1 ohm load.
I think that is closer to reality than most of the applications that have been listed for this amp.
Lets face it, sundownz has admitted it's not an spl monster, and that it's not optimized for "street" class competition. Kind of a red headed step child, do you beat it or praise it?
So, IMO the question of you Jordy, is prove what this amp is good for.
Does it do rated power at rated load in a normal every day car, or is it a piece of crap?
08-14-2007, 11:48 AM
#9
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Originally Posted by Ligeia
Yuli: Every test with the exception of the one done in Edmonton has revealed much better results. If you want to complain more about Sundown, save it for the other thread and just let Jordy collect opinions specific to how to test the amp.
Testing on a large 16 volt battery bank again is really useless. Who's going to buy a $3000 battery bank for a single $500 amp? Obviously it will put out the most power on 16 volts and loaded down, just like the alberta test of 1507 watts.
08-14-2007, 11:49 AM
#10
Measuring the output will give us the impedence rise, so that will be shown no matter what.
btw.. Yuli... their 3kw has already been released.. and if you really want, I will try to cross my fingers during testing. How about toes, do you want those crossed too? lol...
btw.. Yuli... their 3kw has already been released.. and if you really want, I will try to cross my fingers during testing. How about toes, do you want those crossed too? lol...
