Dukk

Personally I like the wood pucks and little blue dots. They make a huge difference - I CAN HEAR IT! If you can't then your stuff sucks or you suck, or something sucks...

Brandon

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A 24/64 bit system will be more revealing than a 1 bit system. Things in the recording like a foot tapping(live) you might not hear on a 1 bit system and you also might not hear it on a 24 bit system if the rest of the system isn't capable of playing it (ei. speakers) like I said before.

With my 8250Ti and Utopia's I can even hear a minor blemish in sound if it's a scratched CD whereas when I tried out my friends Alpine 1 bit deck in the same system, it could not be heard.

I haven't seen Nikko amps in years, I used to have one and I think it was from the mid 90's.
Anyway I'm not one for debating the differences in wires and interconnects because I've never heard a difference myself, although some people DO arue to the death that there's a difference, personally, a wire is a wire, it transfers current from one piece of equipment to another.....the only way there MIGHT be a difference is between optical cables and normal OFC's but again, I've never heard a difference.

Magic crystals?.....yea, actually it's just the system I mentioned above.....and snake skin insulated interconnects

Industy members eh? is that some elite club of people with the exact same set of ears and brains that hear the exact same things? Are they above everybody else because they can't hear a difference.....or maybe it's all in thier heads, if everything sounds the same I guess we should all just sell our equipment and listen to the factory systems that come with our cars since there's no difference between the equipment in an OEM system and an aftermarket system right?

goalie 35

sorry brandon i have to disagree with you on this one and usually we are on the same page...... in my store i can a/b any two dvd players without changing amps or speakers and guess what.... no difference............ but that being said i can definitly hear the difference from a c.d. player to dvd and from dvd to scad..... and dont forget........... in a car there is way to much road noise and hell just plain old "outside" noise from the surroundings to notice any differences..... so dont worry about 1 bit to 24 bit to burr brown converters to blah blah blah...... look into features that appeal to you that are important.... eg. what the thing looks like in your dash, what color are the lights, does it have 3 pre outs and whats the voltage. and resistance, does it play mps, have ipod out put ect ect ect.... good luck in your quest.

Brandon

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I agree with the part you just said about the D/A's not being the deciding factor on what deck you buy as apperently most people can't hear the difference anyway.

Dukk

This is a really bad example. It misleads the reported differences between the two.

It would be more correct to say that a 1bit system would make the sound a generic percussive noise difficult to distinguish between a foot tap and say a light rim tap or something similar.

I don't agree, but that's not the point.

veeman

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I guess guys like Manville Smith don't know what to listen for?? As far as oem stuff, we know the power output is usually much less, they use cheaper speakers, the source units have few features and usually have no rca outputs, and they add all kinds of equalization to alter the sound...so that's a poor comparison Brandon. Remember nobody said they all sound the same out of the box necessarily, RC has never said that, he merely points out that if you remove the equalization and level match the amplifiers, then they sound so similar that it's undetectable by the human ear. Same with the DACs. If two identical decks are compared, one with 24 bit Dacs and the other with 1 bit, no equalization, and level matched, will you hear a difference? I don't think so. To date nobody has heard a difference that I've tried this with. I'm up to 50+ people, and I haven't even level matched or removed any inherent sound processing...so those sound the same out of the box!

thumpper

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if the rest of the system is up to par the
24 bitt burr brown d/a's in the right product give tighter sound,
lower/tighter bass,clearer voices and more definition
between each instrument.
I got two sets of JBL 660gti components with the Premier 980
(with the 24 bitt burr browns) and the SQ is better than most
high end home systems I have heard
I would never spend money on a head unit with out them

Haunz

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Brandon, please don't mention your pathetic 24bit system in the same sentance as my 64 bit system.... since mine is obviously more precise, accurate, revealing, and generally better then yours.....






Back to reality... IIRC a normal CD is recorded with 16 bits @ 44.1 KHz..... makes sense in that case to use a 16bit DAC.............. and afterall a lousy 1bit DAC can only decipher out 2 levels of output voltage per sample; while a 24bit can do 16,777,216.........

But wait, the sample rate is over 44,000 times per second..... ????


I am not saying that a DAC with greater bit depth is not better........but if you think you can hear a difference between those levels sampled at .0000227 intervals you are dreaming.........

sharkman

I think people may be assuming we all have the same hearing. Have you ever heard of the phrase, a trained ear? It refers to a person who has developed hearing skills if you will, or just has a natural ability to hear things other people miss.

Don't take offense, let me tell you a story. There once was a piece of music I owned and listened to often. Part of the song included layering vocals with at least six part harmony. Just by chance, a friend of a friend(who was very gifted musically) heard this piece. At the end he exclaimed that the bass singer was flat on the last note, as if it was plain as day. I had heard that song hundreds of times and never heard this. After he left, I listened again and again, and couldn't hear anything out of place.

I still can't. I know it's not quite the same thing, but there you are.

I have another song with a guitar part that sounded different than I'd ever heard it before when I bought a new car amp which cost about 2000 in today's dollars, the PPI Power art series. I eventually sold the amp, but still remember how the guitar sounded, and use that song to demo equipment today.

Just because you can't hear something, doesn't mean it's not there.

AAAAAAA

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^
Or his statement about the guy beeing flat may only be his opinion, and your own opinion of that same sound is that it doens't sound flat. It doesn't mean he hears it better then you, simply you both have different interpretations of the same sound.