24 Bit DAC
You should have known better than to open a can of worms like this.....it's like starting a similar thread on amps......60 pages of crap topped off with the thread being closed.
On the other hand, at least my answer was the best one.....Let YOUR ears decide if there's a difference.
On the other hand, at least my answer was the best one.....Let YOUR ears decide if there's a difference.
If anyone has crapped up this thread or given a reason for it to be closed it has been from the likes of you Brandon... 
Moving past the insults you've been trying to throw around.....
You insist that you can hear a difference between a 1bit and 24bit DAC, but you have no evidence to back that up; and claim that anyone else who can't tell a difference either has poor hearing or inferior equipment.... Not only that but you go on to elude that every person including industry members who have done ABX testing between DACs must have 'the exact same set of ears and brains that hear the exact same things'.....
Based on the following points I am going to go out on a limb and say that you have no business responding in this thread in the first place because:
1. you have never participated in an ABX comparison between DACs.
2. you don't have a clue about how a DAC works or the real differences between a '1 bit' device and a '24 bit' device.
Now because you own a set of overpriced components and a so called 'audiophile grade' headunit I am sure you must feel that you know it all and should respond as such.... But what is really funny, is that a quick search has revealed that your 8250Ti uses 1-bit DACs... and behind the marketing fluff of dual 20 bit DACs is the reality that your HU uses 1-bit devices 8x oversampled.......
I think this outlines your ignorance quite well since 1-bit devices are generally oversampled up to 16bits but are labeled as 1-bit because of the advantages to linearity an oversampled 1-bit device offers; which manufacturers are quick to display....
So Brandon does your dual 1-bit deck really sound so different now ?
It may interest anyone else reading this thread that there are no true 20 or 24 bit devices available on the market that I know of.... and although you may find a real 16 bit chip there are substantial trade off's in going that route.....
I would agree that a precision OS multibit is superior from a design standpoint then a OS single bit..... but the bottom line is that any aberration between any sort of DAC does not entail a difference between being able to hear a 'foot tapping during a live performance' or not..... the differences are in the noise floor, dynamic range, and principally in the types of noise present, filters used, and overall implementation of the DAC.......
While differences may certainly be present and measurable..... to humans those differences are certainly not audible........
Moving past the insults you've been trying to throw around.....
You insist that you can hear a difference between a 1bit and 24bit DAC, but you have no evidence to back that up; and claim that anyone else who can't tell a difference either has poor hearing or inferior equipment.... Not only that but you go on to elude that every person including industry members who have done ABX testing between DACs must have 'the exact same set of ears and brains that hear the exact same things'.....
Based on the following points I am going to go out on a limb and say that you have no business responding in this thread in the first place because:
1. you have never participated in an ABX comparison between DACs.
2. you don't have a clue about how a DAC works or the real differences between a '1 bit' device and a '24 bit' device.
Now because you own a set of overpriced components and a so called 'audiophile grade' headunit I am sure you must feel that you know it all and should respond as such.... But what is really funny, is that a quick search has revealed that your 8250Ti uses 1-bit DACs... and behind the marketing fluff of dual 20 bit DACs is the reality that your HU uses 1-bit devices 8x oversampled.......
I think this outlines your ignorance quite well since 1-bit devices are generally oversampled up to 16bits but are labeled as 1-bit because of the advantages to linearity an oversampled 1-bit device offers; which manufacturers are quick to display....
So Brandon does your dual 1-bit deck really sound so different now ?
It may interest anyone else reading this thread that there are no true 20 or 24 bit devices available on the market that I know of.... and although you may find a real 16 bit chip there are substantial trade off's in going that route.....
I would agree that a precision OS multibit is superior from a design standpoint then a OS single bit..... but the bottom line is that any aberration between any sort of DAC does not entail a difference between being able to hear a 'foot tapping during a live performance' or not..... the differences are in the noise floor, dynamic range, and principally in the types of noise present, filters used, and overall implementation of the DAC.......
While differences may certainly be present and measurable..... to humans those differences are certainly not audible........
Originally Posted by Brandon
60 pages of crap topped off with the thread being closed.
On the other hand, at least my answer was the best one.....Let YOUR ears decide if there's a difference.
On the other hand, at least my answer was the best one.....Let YOUR ears decide if there's a difference.
Once again, nuff said.
And YES indeed my 8250Ti DOES infact sound different than my DRX9255....another of the best decks on the planet but again, since YOU cant hear a difference, they both must just sound like a bottom of the pile Pioneer deck.
Get Real....do you even own a car audio system?
Goalie Man
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,412
not really brandon u can pick up a custic da-55 for about 400 bucks and its a damn fine unit... i have the denford 8250 and am thinking about using this piece as well...... but alas i wont because there is no way i will be able to hear the difference.... maybe my dog, can but even then i dont think so......... our ears just arent that sensitive period not you not me not dianna krull.... nobody the differece is that some people have had better training in to what to listen for! and i think that is the difference. think about this...... most people running the nexxus c.d. player usually have stock systems or very cheap to say the least... people with high end decks usually have aftermarket speakers with a better installation setup. so now i sit and listen to the nexxus and its shallow with no life to the sound, but listen to the denford and its explosive and alive... same song different results......... what we should do it go buy the nexxus $59.99 this week at canadian tire, and take you deck put them both in the house off a 12 volt power supply and hook them up to your home speakers... then do a a/b comparison with 3 people, you of couse, a female pianist, and a regular joe who knows nothing but nfl football and doritos!!! then let the fun begin and compare results............... let me know
I'm guessing the 3 people would hear a difference, however, that's really got nothing to do with DAC's its more with the build quality of the 2 decks and quality of components used to build the deck which is what I've been saying all along.
This is whats great about audio, what makes it so compelling and interesting. You can never know what kind of experience you will get with a specific setup since your emotions and expectations can play a role on top of everything else.
So even if your equipment isn't producing sound any clearer or more precise then could be heard by the human ear, simply the fact of anticipating better sound might make the hole experience more enjoyable (Or less). Since we cannot ABX everything we listen to, and that there are so many variables that can alter the sound (including your own mind) one could argue that in fact a different brand name could indeed make the listening experience more enjoyable, if you beleive it does.
So even if your equipment isn't producing sound any clearer or more precise then could be heard by the human ear, simply the fact of anticipating better sound might make the hole experience more enjoyable (Or less). Since we cannot ABX everything we listen to, and that there are so many variables that can alter the sound (including your own mind) one could argue that in fact a different brand name could indeed make the listening experience more enjoyable, if you beleive it does.
