^^no doubt...if I just spent 10G's on a system, my mind better make it sound f**king awesome! It's the reason Monster Cable makes so much money.

 

Obviously.... since according to one of your threads your 8250Ti dosen't make any sound at all.....

You haven't been saying that all along.... and you speak of build quality, but again your so called audiophile grade 8250Ti dosen't even work.....

At least you seem to finally say that any audible difference is not going to be due to the type of DAC used.... (you can also forget about the components used, that's what RCs amp challange is about)

If indeed there was an audible difference between two decks it would undoutably be because of frequency rolloff in the preamp section... which isn't too likley to be any kind of problem IMO....

More likley what you would potentially see between a cheap deck and a decent one is frequency roll off in the internal amplifier... also of course less clean output with the cheap deck.....

 

It makes noise....it goes.....CHHKKKKKKKKKKKKK, as it tears apart Ride The Lightning.

There's nothing wrong with the build quality either, I attribute my problem to the fact that my car has very little suspension. It's a Cavalier thing. I've never heard of anybody else having the same problem.

The 8250 revealed far more detail in the music than my 9255, and that's not level matching and all the crap that RC does just to make everything sound the same, that's pulling the 9255 out and dropping the 8250 in (when it worked).

I would say that the biggest difference people hear between decks by far is because of the difference in output voltage.

Swap out any deck with 2v preouts for a deck with 4 or 8v preouts and tell me you don't hear a difference right away.

You can probably make any electronic component sound the same as another by level matching and matching output voltage....but what's that really proving?

 

True... however you don't need a new deck for that, you can up the gain on the amp and get the same result.

When you swap decks, you are suppose to reset your gains.

 

I remember swapping from an Alpine 500mV CD head unit to a then-new 4V (2V RMS) AiNet head unit. I was expecting big differences in output and sound. I was sorrowly disappointed. I 'think' I gained some overall volume output but there certainly was no increase in 'detail' or 'spaciousness' or whatever other audiophile term people like to use when describing paradigm shifts in audio improvement.

I guess I suffer from the "untrained ear" and "you don't hear good enough or have delicate enough ears" syndrome like the rest of the unwashed lower middle-class masses. Maybe I didn't conciously know what I should have been listening for or wanted to hear it bad enough?

Sorry for the sarcasm, but I don't subscribe either to the "I heard a difference when I changed to (insert minor controversial audio 'upgrade' here)" theory.

 

Really? I know at least 3 people who have or have had those Denon made pieces of crap and 2 of them have resold them and the third wishes he could get rid of it. All three units were/are very picky about what they play. Too bad...they at least look nice.

You're joking right? Oh man..

 

Yea they are picky, any scratches on the cd or anything like that and it becomes hit or miss.

No I'm not joking, what is RC proving? That electronic components sound the same when they've been level matched.

Big deal....what's the point? 2 cd players, in lab tests mind you, not real world, sound the same when they've been level matched and the temperatures are perfect and the stars align at the right exact moment.

Who gives a ? isn't there something better to waste time on?

 

Humans are very sensitive to changes in volume and tend to prefer the louder of two choices. By setting the level to the same output it removes this basic bias. That is all. After that it is down to the 'sound' of each piece.

It is obvious that while you may have read something about ABX testing you have never participated in it.


I found this statement intersting. Does the 9255 not have 24bit DACs while the 8250 has 1bit DACs? Is this not a total contradiction of your entire argument?

 

Correct. Although I've done lots of testing but not on abx so I guess it doesn't really count since apparently the ear can't "remember" exactly what it heard after 8 seconds or something like that, but whatever, I know what I hear.


This is something I've disgussed before, I think the 9255 has dual 20 bits not 24's but regardless, yea it SHOULD be a contradiction of what I said however, like I said, I know what I hear.

And like I've already agree'd, it may not have anything to do with the D/A's so it shouldn't matter. Unless of course Clarion has done the same thing that Denon did with the 8250 and simply labeled it dual 20 bit D/A's. Again, that shouldn't matter.

 

drz = 24, drx = 20.