4 way Active
01-13-2011, 04:16 PM
#1
4 way Active
well the time has come for me to upgrade my front stage to a 3 way setup.
Currently I have Hertz MLK-165 as my front stage and will be adding a dedicated midrange within a month.
I am heavily leaning towards Hybrids L3SE.
I have been and will continue to peruse the forum for install pics, but would love it if some people can throw some up here. I am looking at putting them in the forward part of the door as high as possible.
you can see where i circled in the pic.
I have spoken with the maker of hybrids and he assured there would be no issues or sound degredation with the mids sharing airspace with the woofers in such a large door.
i am not set on anything, so anyone with ideas please throw them my way!!
I have 150watts RMS to work with and am undecided on budget. nothing over the top though.
Currently I have Hertz MLK-165 as my front stage and will be adding a dedicated midrange within a month.
I am heavily leaning towards Hybrids L3SE.
I have been and will continue to peruse the forum for install pics, but would love it if some people can throw some up here. I am looking at putting them in the forward part of the door as high as possible.
you can see where i circled in the pic.
I have spoken with the maker of hybrids and he assured there would be no issues or sound degredation with the mids sharing airspace with the woofers in such a large door.
i am not set on anything, so anyone with ideas please throw them my way!!
I have 150watts RMS to work with and am undecided on budget. nothing over the top though.
01-13-2011, 04:52 PM
#2
has anyone done something like this?
minus the woofer, im keeping them stock in the doors.
also, has anyone used the Hybrid L3SE's?? I am curious as to their off axis response and how they react to small enclosures.
minus the woofer, im keeping them stock in the doors.
also, has anyone used the Hybrid L3SE's?? I am curious as to their off axis response and how they react to small enclosures.
Last edited by jstoner22; 01-13-2011 at 07:00 PM.
01-14-2011, 02:43 PM
#3
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IMO you should keep your speakers to the same brand and, ideally, the same line of drivers. Not saying that mix and match can't work, but it is often more challenging - especially when dealing with a midrange that has to match both a midbass and a tweeter.
01-14-2011, 03:51 PM
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doesn't using an EQ "help" alleviate that problem?
01-14-2011, 03:56 PM
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I agree that would be ideal, but there are no mids for my particular lineup. and I just can't think of how I would incorporate the hertz ribbon tweeters into my car.
but honestly i've never mix and matched speakers before or done a 3 way front stage. and else have experience with a mix?
but honestly i've never mix and matched speakers before or done a 3 way front stage. and else have experience with a mix?
01-14-2011, 04:37 PM
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Mixing is fine with active crossovers and at very least a notion of how to match drivers to each other. It can be done straight from the spec.s or by ear if preferred.
My friend sndsgood on the j-body.org has done what you're describing on the dash, with different drivers. It's a matter of "if you have to ask how to do it, you can't do it".
(There is a hybrid audio subforum on here, so you might be better off asking there how they perform off-axis/undersized enclosures, or contacting the company directly)
As far as placement, it'll sound okay, it'll sound great if you can get past/avoid windshield reflection.
Your questions are very vague though. What exactly do you want to know?
My friend sndsgood on the j-body.org has done what you're describing on the dash, with different drivers. It's a matter of "if you have to ask how to do it, you can't do it".
(There is a hybrid audio subforum on here, so you might be better off asking there how they perform off-axis/undersized enclosures, or contacting the company directly)
As far as placement, it'll sound okay, it'll sound great if you can get past/avoid windshield reflection.
Your questions are very vague though. What exactly do you want to know?
01-14-2011, 04:51 PM
#7
I was mostly looking for install ideas.
as far as my questions, I was looking for someone with experience using them in a small enclosure. The speakers are degisned primarily for an IB setup, so how would this affect their performance? also off axis reponse would need to be taken into account if I were to consider a dash install. If they cannot play effectively past 6000ish on such a degree, it would not be ideal.
and as far as mixing, i have never mixed a front stage, so i am unsure what problems would arise which i could not correct through appropriate crossovers and DSP'ing.
i am leaning towards a door install in the location circled in the first pic with a simple tweet in the pillar install.
i am just trying to find info on the internal volume of the door.
speaking with scott buwalda he stated that provided the speakers in the door see at least 3 times ther 'vas', there will be zero issue running both drivers in the same door.
between the midrange and the woofer it is exactly 10L. so im just hoping the door has an internal volume greater than 30L.
as far as my questions, I was looking for someone with experience using them in a small enclosure. The speakers are degisned primarily for an IB setup, so how would this affect their performance? also off axis reponse would need to be taken into account if I were to consider a dash install. If they cannot play effectively past 6000ish on such a degree, it would not be ideal.
and as far as mixing, i have never mixed a front stage, so i am unsure what problems would arise which i could not correct through appropriate crossovers and DSP'ing.
i am leaning towards a door install in the location circled in the first pic with a simple tweet in the pillar install.
i am just trying to find info on the internal volume of the door.
speaking with scott buwalda he stated that provided the speakers in the door see at least 3 times ther 'vas', there will be zero issue running both drivers in the same door.
between the midrange and the woofer it is exactly 10L. so im just hoping the door has an internal volume greater than 30L.
01-14-2011, 04:56 PM
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Average door is going to be in the neighborhood of 50L for a 2door coupe and probably 30-40L for a compact sedan. Just going on experience.
For "small" enclosures you can punch the thiele-small parameters into something like winISD and see the theoretical response curve you would get from it. Assuming you can reliably seal or port your doors.
Also, driver datasheets usually include response curves for 0º, 30º, 45º and 60º. Or of course, someone who has run the speakers can just chime in but I don't know how many people here are actually running HA.
For "small" enclosures you can punch the thiele-small parameters into something like winISD and see the theoretical response curve you would get from it. Assuming you can reliably seal or port your doors.
Also, driver datasheets usually include response curves for 0º, 30º, 45º and 60º. Or of course, someone who has run the speakers can just chime in but I don't know how many people here are actually running HA.
01-14-2011, 04:59 PM
#10
ya spec sheets show up to 60 degrees, and they are awesome. but i was curious about more than 60.
and i'd be going for a L4SE if i could, but i simply can't fit them in the doors.
im not sure what IIHB means, but why won't anyone be buying the L3SE? because the pros are coming out?
and i'd be going for a L4SE if i could, but i simply can't fit them in the doors.
im not sure what IIHB means, but why won't anyone be buying the L3SE? because the pros are coming out?
