the alpine active stuff is so good that if you hit the right buttons it barfs out a set of passives

I think all of defro and dukk's differences would best be solved with a flat of Mountain Crest

You're nuts. No matter WHAT it does a $6k processor is not worth it to 99.9+% of car audio enthusiasts. Having God himself tune a system is not worth $6k to the vast majority of us. I'm sure the piece is awesome, and obviously is worth whatever you paid for it to you (not 6k I'm guessing.) The statement at the end just seems incredibly ignorant to me, implying that anyone that isn't running out and buying one is just too stupid to see the light.

[/QB][/QUOTE]...implying that anyone that isn't running out and buying one is just too stupid to see the light. [/QB][/QUOTE]

...perhaps true for the PXA-H900, but the 700/701 can be had for roughly 800-900 bones and does 90% of what the 900 does at 95% of the quality, so how can you really go wrong???

Add up all the x-overs, time alligment,level setting, eq and surround features plus way simplified install and it actually can save money in a more elaborate system...for example, think of all the high end RCA cords you won't need to connect all the processors, you only need runs from one processor to the amps you're using...you can run optical or Ai-Net input to the processor from the source.

And Dukk where is that list??? I thought you were proud of this you stuff you speak of but it seems like you're not going out of your way to bring it up again, on the contrary. :rolleyes:

newb, whats ignorant is people that have never used the pxah900, dont know what it does or how to use it, and passing judgement on it for its value.

when you have used one or even had the oportunity to hear a system with one, perhaps you could then come back and call me ignorant

im pretty sure that i didnt imply that enyone not using one couldnt, didnt, wouldnt see the light, i simply said that the only people that would say it wasnt worth it are those who havent ever used one, like say....you for example. you are exactly what i was refering to, are you stupid because you dont use one, of course your not. do you deserve a chance to use one, of course you do, everyone does, would you if the chance came up, of course you would

of all the pxah900's that i have put in vehicles, i have yet to have 1 person say they werent happy with it or didnt think it was worth every penny. i actually have a customer that has 3 of them, one in his truck, one in his car and one going in his house

isalnphile has a very good point the pxah700 or 701 is a very good piece for a fraction of the price, but i might question the 95% of the quality, but it does do 90% of what the pxah900 does, but its not even close whaen it comes to build quality and sound quality. i have used both in the same system, removed a 700 and put in a 900 and the difference was remakable to say the least. the 700/701s still the best piece on the planet under a grand

[ May 27, 2005, 07:32 AM: Message edited by: defro13 ]

Well I for one don't need or want one. If someone were giving them away for free I would probably take it. But I simply won't need that kind of processing in my system.

Sorry, I'd take a CD-700II, MX-406, Denford, or similar deck + a decent eq/crossover and have the money left over in my pocket. To me, and most people, a 10k source unit/processor setup is not worth it regardless of how good it is. You can get pretty damn amazing for way less money in gear, and frankly that's good enough for the vast majority of people. Hell, I had a EPX and it was more processing than I wanted.

Also, there is no Alpine deck that I like the cosmetics of currently.

I'm sure that the 900 is absolutely amazing, not disputing that, just disagreeing that such a niche piece can be as indispensible as you say.

[ May 27, 2005, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: Newb ]

I'm wondering if the people who use (and those who compete and win with) the Pioneer P9 setup or whatever it's called are feeling like they are missing out by not having a 900. They probably are not and I imagine could afford a 900 but perhaps choose to use the Pioneer instead and don't feel like they are losing out because of it.

i suppose those p9 users, decent piece by the way, would have to use a pxah900 to really know if anything is special about it or if they are losing anything by not using it. maybe we will never know

dwvw, you are certainly going to use other brands versions of what the pxa does, practically all, of it, d/a converter, some form of x-overs, a few bands of equalization maybe, perhaps no time delay, but some phase adjustment might be needed, sounds like the pxa is just right for you :D

i still find it funny that all the people responding have never used, applied or maybe even seen one besides in pics. the people that have know there is no need to argue this. ive never drivin a murcialago(sp) but its exspensive, must not be worth it, and i wonder if all those guys with porches(or whatever) think there would be anything gained by trying out a lambo for triple the money........ahhhh probobly not, they wouldnt ever have to drive the lambo to know its not worth it, why.....cuz i geuss they just know [img]smile.gif[/img]

Based on shear performance, no the Murcialago is not worth it. There are other factors that make it not worth it for me either (no service anywhere for example). Are there other factors that make it worth it for some people, obviously. Yes I will need D/A, it's included in the deck I have so no need to spend $6,000 for that. X overs are taken care of and certainly didn't cost $6,000, same with equalization. Don't really need time delay or phase adjustment, or dolby digital etc. So it would be a waste of money to get a Pxha900 in my case, same with 99% of stereos out there. It's great that some people need and want those things, because then Alpine has fulfilled that market.