Seatbelt fine.
Ask yourself this question, had you been wearing your belt when he saw you, would he have ticketed you? He knows that you did not have your belt on, he made his way to find you. He had enough information infront of him to make the proper choice as to vehicle type and occupant. If he can see that you did not have your belt on, he can also see you. You + vehicle description = ticket unfortunately.
You've been listening to the legal advice of your friends too much. He can still pull you over regardless if you claim or can prove he lost sight of you. Holy jumpin' leprechauns, how do you expect him to DRIVE????
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Originally Posted by MR2NR
He knows that you did not have your belt on, he made his way to find you. He had enough information infront of him to make the proper choice as to vehicle type and occupant. If he can see that you did not have your belt on, he can also see you. You + vehicle description = ticket unfortunately.
I'm curious, do they preach "guilty untill proven innocent" at the RCMP traing?
tonez-I haven't taken legal advice from anybody except the other RCMP members in the family and others we know as friends, they all agree that this guy was out of line. I expect him to drive because there was no other way he could get around with out giving himself a heart attack. Like I said before, just getting out of the cruiser was a feat in itself...
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I think all he's trying to say is, if this cop had no other way of identifying him other than a quick glance before he took off and then pulled him over 5-10 minutes later and assumed he was the same guy as before with nothing to back it up that's not really cool. Yes, he knows he should have been wearing his belt, but I kind of agree with him. What if this cop pulled a different (The wrong) guy with a blue truck over and said, "Hey, I just saw you five minutes ago and you weren't wearing your seatbelt, you get a ticket". The cop would be wrong and how on earth would that guy be able to fight it? Sure, the cops should be able to pull you over after the fact, but if the cop admitted he had not seen his plate and had no other way to tell that he was the right person, other than having a blue truck and an ATV, that really isn't enough to go and pull someone over and try and ticket them.
He's not disputing that what he did was wrong, he's disputing the way the cop was using his authority. That would kind of be like a cop seeing a white guy in a red shirt, waving his dingus around, and peeing all over a building in broad daylight, the guy takes off and runs, and then 10 minutes later the cop sees some other white guy in a red shirt, grabs him and arrests him. How in the hell would you be able to fight that?
I take it most people in this thread are saying he shouldn't be complaining about the cops' authority, because he was doing something wrong and he should just suck it up and not complain. But, you do have to admit it's a little dumb. Cop see's person in blue truck with no seatbelt, does nothing about it, and then 10 minutes later, pulls over blue truck and issues seatbelt ticket. Seems fishy to me! Even though he is guilty.
He's not disputing that what he did was wrong, he's disputing the way the cop was using his authority. That would kind of be like a cop seeing a white guy in a red shirt, waving his dingus around, and peeing all over a building in broad daylight, the guy takes off and runs, and then 10 minutes later the cop sees some other white guy in a red shirt, grabs him and arrests him. How in the hell would you be able to fight that?
I take it most people in this thread are saying he shouldn't be complaining about the cops' authority, because he was doing something wrong and he should just suck it up and not complain. But, you do have to admit it's a little dumb. Cop see's person in blue truck with no seatbelt, does nothing about it, and then 10 minutes later, pulls over blue truck and issues seatbelt ticket. Seems fishy to me! Even though he is guilty.
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I had somewhat of a similar situation to this. My wife and I were driving my truck, which was somewhat modified at the time (Dakota R/T, lowered, exhaust, roll pan, etc) and we were rolling thru a parking lot where an older female cop was watching traffic along the busy road for seatbelt violators. She was driving, we both had our belts on, and drove up behind, the cop, beside, and then out of the parking lot on to the roadway. No infractions whatsoever. The cop pulls us over because "she couldn't see our seatbelts", which in fact were done up because we spotted the cop even before getting into the truck. It was also a warm sunny day so we had the windows down. The cop then asked to have the windows rolled up, as she presumed we would have window tint (which we did), so no ticket for the seatbelts because we were wearing them, but got one for the tint. I felt like we were profiled for the vehicle we drove and the age we were (mid-20s). The cop didn't see the tint at all though, but presumed we had it. That would be like a white kid driving a Civic getting pulled over and searched for drugs simply because he's a young white guy, and young white guys must smoke pot and have it in there car. I felt the whole thing was BS, but I'm sure I'll get differing opinions.
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Originally Posted by SUX 2BU
I had somewhat of a similar situation to this. My wife and I were driving my truck, which was somewhat modified at the time (Dakota R/T, lowered, exhaust, roll pan, etc) and we were rolling thru a parking lot where an older female cop was watching traffic along the busy road for seatbelt violators. She was driving, we both had our belts on, and drove up behind, the cop, beside, and then out of the parking lot on to the roadway. No infractions whatsoever. The cop pulls us over because "she couldn't see our seatbelts", which in fact were done up because we spotted the cop even before getting into the truck. It was also a warm sunny day so we had the windows down. The cop then asked to have the windows rolled up, as she presumed we would have window tint (which we did), so no ticket for the seatbelts because we were wearing them, but got one for the tint. I felt like we were profiled for the vehicle we drove and the age we were (mid-20s). The cop didn't see the tint at all though, but presumed we had it. That would be like a white kid driving a Civic getting pulled over and searched for drugs simply because he's a young white guy, and young white guys must smoke pot and have it in there car. I felt the whole thing was BS, but I'm sure I'll get differing opinions.
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Originally Posted by MrEastSide
I think all he's trying to say is, if this cop had no other way of identifying him other than a quick glance before he took off and then pulled him over 5-10 minutes later and assumed he was the same guy as before with nothing to back it up that's not really cool. Yes, he knows he should have been wearing his belt, but I kind of agree with him. What if this cop pulled a different (The wrong) guy with a blue truck over and said, "Hey, I just saw you five minutes ago and you weren't wearing your seatbelt, you get a ticket". The cop would be wrong and how on earth would that guy be able to fight it? Sure, the cops should be able to pull you over after the fact, but if the cop admitted he had not seen his plate and had no other way to tell that he was the right person, other than having a blue truck and an ATV, that really isn't enough to go and pull someone over and try and ticket them.
He's not disputing that what he did was wrong, he's disputing the way the cop was using his authority. That would kind of be like a cop seeing a white guy in a red shirt, waving his dingus around, and peeing all over a building in broad daylight, the guy takes off and runs, and then 10 minutes later the cop sees some other white guy in a red shirt, grabs him and arrests him. How in the hell would you be able to fight that?
I take it most people in this thread are saying he shouldn't be complaining about the cops' authority, because he was doing something wrong and he should just suck it up and not complain. But, you do have to admit it's a little dumb. Cop see's person in blue truck with no seatbelt, does nothing about it, and then 10 minutes later, pulls over blue truck and issues seatbelt ticket. Seems fishy to me! Even though he is guilty.
He's not disputing that what he did was wrong, he's disputing the way the cop was using his authority. That would kind of be like a cop seeing a white guy in a red shirt, waving his dingus around, and peeing all over a building in broad daylight, the guy takes off and runs, and then 10 minutes later the cop sees some other white guy in a red shirt, grabs him and arrests him. How in the hell would you be able to fight that?
I take it most people in this thread are saying he shouldn't be complaining about the cops' authority, because he was doing something wrong and he should just suck it up and not complain. But, you do have to admit it's a little dumb. Cop see's person in blue truck with no seatbelt, does nothing about it, and then 10 minutes later, pulls over blue truck and issues seatbelt ticket. Seems fishy to me! Even though he is guilty.
The police officer should be 100% certain (and he definitely was not) I was indeed breaking the law before he can put this violation on my driving record, and force me to pay the $100 fine. I think he was out of line in my situation, but we'll have to let the judge decide I guess.
I'm not going to preach this (and Killowatt as opposed to what you wrote in your post I did not say you were GUILTY I just said the reason why we ticket. I care not if you are guilty or not but I will do my best to educate the public as to why).
But Kilo your original post says this: "A police officer drove by me while I was pulling out of a parking lot, and I hadn't put my belt on yet. I saw him looking at me so I turned and went the other way before he had a chance to pull me over. I put my belt on and drove approx 4-5 city blocks before I passed the same police officer again and he pulled me over. He came from a totaly different direction, and was not behind me.
So he pulls me over and says "I saw you back on such and such street, and you had no belt on".
Now we here are all CAR audio guys which means we know a little something about cars. I can tell you honestly that I can drive through a car dealership lot and see a dozen blue chevy p/u's and be able to tell what is different about each one just by the optioning on it. Now can you tell me there isn't something that sets your truck out from a crowd. Maybe it's a sticker in the window or on the bumper, tonneau cover folded up in the bed, fancy bed rails, lighting, etc.
So he see's you pull out of the lot without a belt on which means right their he can ticket you but looking at your original statement you say you turned to avoid him. So maybe he see's to get you on a seatbelt ticket is going to invlolve trying to get through too much traffic so cuts you a break and decides not to pursue it. Unfortunately for you he runs into you down the street. What are the chances the exact same truck is just down the street from where he saw you and the same description of the driver is driving (yes it's easy to notice what the driver is wearing, colour of jacket and hat, if he's wearing glasses, aprox age and race, the same model and colour ATV in the back, etc in just a split second)? The answer is that the chance is minute and to prove it is thankfully you have just done that for me; by stating yes the officer was correct and you are indeed the same driver.
Anyways, like I said I'm just trying to educate so do with this info what you will.
But Kilo your original post says this: "A police officer drove by me while I was pulling out of a parking lot, and I hadn't put my belt on yet. I saw him looking at me so I turned and went the other way before he had a chance to pull me over. I put my belt on and drove approx 4-5 city blocks before I passed the same police officer again and he pulled me over. He came from a totaly different direction, and was not behind me.
So he pulls me over and says "I saw you back on such and such street, and you had no belt on".
Now we here are all CAR audio guys which means we know a little something about cars. I can tell you honestly that I can drive through a car dealership lot and see a dozen blue chevy p/u's and be able to tell what is different about each one just by the optioning on it. Now can you tell me there isn't something that sets your truck out from a crowd. Maybe it's a sticker in the window or on the bumper, tonneau cover folded up in the bed, fancy bed rails, lighting, etc.
So he see's you pull out of the lot without a belt on which means right their he can ticket you but looking at your original statement you say you turned to avoid him. So maybe he see's to get you on a seatbelt ticket is going to invlolve trying to get through too much traffic so cuts you a break and decides not to pursue it. Unfortunately for you he runs into you down the street. What are the chances the exact same truck is just down the street from where he saw you and the same description of the driver is driving (yes it's easy to notice what the driver is wearing, colour of jacket and hat, if he's wearing glasses, aprox age and race, the same model and colour ATV in the back, etc in just a split second)? The answer is that the chance is minute and to prove it is thankfully you have just done that for me; by stating yes the officer was correct and you are indeed the same driver.
Anyways, like I said I'm just trying to educate so do with this info what you will.
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Originally Posted by Hardwrkr
I'm not going to preach this (and Killowatt as opposed to what you wrote in your post I did not say you were GUILTY I just said the reason why we ticket. I care not if you are guilty or not but I will do my best to educate the public as to why).
But Kilo your original post says this: "A police officer drove by me while I was pulling out of a parking lot, and I hadn't put my belt on yet. I saw him looking at me so I turned and went the other way before he had a chance to pull me over. I put my belt on and drove approx 4-5 city blocks before I passed the same police officer again and he pulled me over. He came from a totaly different direction, and was not behind me.
So he pulls me over and says "I saw you back on such and such street, and you had no belt on".
Now we here are all CAR audio guys which means we know a little something about cars. I can tell you honestly that I can drive through a car dealership lot and see a dozen blue chevy p/u's and be able to tell what is different about each one just by the optioning on it. Now can you tell me there isn't something that sets your truck out from a crowd. Maybe it's a sticker in the window or on the bumper, tonneau cover folded up in the bed, fancy bed rails, lighting, etc.
So he see's you pull out of the lot without a belt on which means right their he can ticket you but looking at your original statement you say you turned to avoid him. So maybe he see's to get you on a seatbelt ticket is going to invlolve trying to get through too much traffic so cuts you a break and decides not to pursue it. Unfortunately for you he runs into you down the street. What are the chances the exact same truck is just down the street from where he saw you and the same description of the driver is driving (yes it's easy to notice what the driver is wearing, colour of jacket and hat, if he's wearing glasses, aprox age and race, the same model and colour ATV in the back, etc in just a split second)? The answer is that the chance is minute and to prove it is thankfully you have just done that for me; by stating yes the officer was correct and you are indeed the same driver.
Anyways, like I said I'm just trying to educate so do with this info what you will.
But Kilo your original post says this: "A police officer drove by me while I was pulling out of a parking lot, and I hadn't put my belt on yet. I saw him looking at me so I turned and went the other way before he had a chance to pull me over. I put my belt on and drove approx 4-5 city blocks before I passed the same police officer again and he pulled me over. He came from a totaly different direction, and was not behind me.
So he pulls me over and says "I saw you back on such and such street, and you had no belt on".
Now we here are all CAR audio guys which means we know a little something about cars. I can tell you honestly that I can drive through a car dealership lot and see a dozen blue chevy p/u's and be able to tell what is different about each one just by the optioning on it. Now can you tell me there isn't something that sets your truck out from a crowd. Maybe it's a sticker in the window or on the bumper, tonneau cover folded up in the bed, fancy bed rails, lighting, etc.
So he see's you pull out of the lot without a belt on which means right their he can ticket you but looking at your original statement you say you turned to avoid him. So maybe he see's to get you on a seatbelt ticket is going to invlolve trying to get through too much traffic so cuts you a break and decides not to pursue it. Unfortunately for you he runs into you down the street. What are the chances the exact same truck is just down the street from where he saw you and the same description of the driver is driving (yes it's easy to notice what the driver is wearing, colour of jacket and hat, if he's wearing glasses, aprox age and race, the same model and colour ATV in the back, etc in just a split second)? The answer is that the chance is minute and to prove it is thankfully you have just done that for me; by stating yes the officer was correct and you are indeed the same driver.
Anyways, like I said I'm just trying to educate so do with this info what you will.
My truck looks like it is off the dealer lot. There is no stickers, no tonneau cover, no bed rails, no aftermarket lighting...nothing. Everything about my truck is stock. Stock wheels, stock windows, stock paint. Just because you can pick out different trucks on a Chevy lot we are supposed to assume the entire public can do the same? My wife has driven by me many times and not noticed me because there is nothing that sets my truck apart from the rest, and she of all the people in the world should know my truck. You, much like the cop, are ASSUMING you can pick my truck out in a city of 80,000 people and you haven't even seen it, nor do you know the make.
Lets flip this arround for a second. Take something like the recent Virgina Tech massacre. Suppose a student waiting out front noticed another student walking toward the school with something that resembled a weapon tucked away in his jacket/shirt. He doesn't act on the situation and low and behold a half hour later there are 32 dead people on campus...Is that student walking toward the school automaticly guilty of mass murder?
-can the original bystander identify the student walking in the school with 100% certainty? (much like my truck)
-is he 100% certain it was a weapon he was carring, and not something else? (much like me wearing my seatbelt or not)
Guilty untill proven innocent once again.
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I loose my mind when I see kids without belts on. I prefer a lose fitting belt myself, but not too lose. Sometimes I loose my lighter under the seat, and if my seatbelt is not lose enough I can't reach it. Then I really loose it.
And I'd hate to loose my license too, so I always wear my seatbelt.
Also it keeps the driver in better control in case there is an accident....I'd hate to see a vehicle out of control, with the driver flying around lose in the vehicle.
And I'd hate to loose my license too, so I always wear my seatbelt.
Also it keeps the driver in better control in case there is an accident....I'd hate to see a vehicle out of control, with the driver flying around lose in the vehicle.
