Agreed, I always wear my belt when on the road, unfortunately I tend to put it on once in motion in stead of before I turn the key, bad habit I will have to break.

 

I don't really know what you're rambling about here. I didn't give you the ticket so why are you talking about me personally knowing the make, colour, style, whatever? And why have you changed your argument from what a cop can distinguish to what the general public can see? The general public didn't give you the ticket. And the rest of your argument was weak to say the least.

Anyways, this is the last post I'm adding to this thread but read again my last post. More than just your vehicle colour is noticed when an officer picks out a vehicle.

 

I'm rambling?? You said, and I quote:

Once again, my truck is completely stock, no speacial options, stickers, nothing. I have not changed by argument one bit. What I reffered to was you saying you can drive through a dealership and specificaly identify 12 different blue pick-up just by the options. Thats great, I don't believe it one bit, but who am I to argue. But how can you assume all other police officers can do the same (my reference to the "general public" which I guess should have been the "the entire RCMP force").

My argument was weak??? Getting the last word in and saying I'm done here is weak my friend, we are adults here and we are having an open discussion.

Anyways...

The officer was driving by fast enough that he didn't have time to see a 6 digit licence plate for proper identification (the front of my truck was facing him), but I am suppose to believe that he had time to pick out all the options on my truck (from the front), and notice all my physical features? Come on...

 

At the same time, the officer drove by slow enough to make the right choice about you though. Then he made the right choice again about your direction of travel. Then he made the right choice about where he could find you. Had he not been able to pick you out of the crowd, had you been wearing a seatbelt, do you think that you would have received the ticket? Fact is he did pick you out of the crowd and you have admitted to not wearing the seatbelt. Just because he did not stop you on the spot does not mean that you are not guilty.

He has been trained in identification of vehicles and people since day 1. Due to his size (as you stated), to me this means that he is a long serving member and as such has honed his visual identification skills beyond that of a new member.

At the end of the day your arguement is weak but does hold merit. If you want to fight the ticket, you must prove that you are not the person that he saw earlier vs the person he pulled over. If you can do this, the JP may rule in your favour. At the same time, he may reprimand the officer as well.

What if he had a dashboard camera to show your license plate? What if he looked in his rear view mirror to get your license plate? You have the what if's stacked against you here. He made the correct choice in issuing a ticket for a illegal act. Had you obeyed the laws in the first place, do you think that you would have received the ticket?

I know it is frustrating to receive a ticket and perhaps we are showing you a perspective that you do not want to see. It is a valid perspective and you need to understand it from the other side of the fence.

 

Rob,

I do see your point, I was guilty, and I was caught. But, I don't feel I was caught under the correct circumstances. Had the officer pulled me over in the first place, seen I wasn't wearing my belt, I would have thanked him and been on my way.

Now please try and see my point.

-You say he was driving slow enough that he had enough time to make the right decision. If this was true, I'm sure he would have identified my plate #. You say officers are trained in identification of vehicles, are they not trained to take note of the one piece of evidence that would identify a vehicle 100% ie-the licence plate? Or could it be possible he only got a glance at me as he passed and didn't have time to correctly identify me? He was a full block away by the time he pulled over to try and stop me, which is why I had time to turn down another street. I wasn't even sure he stopped for me, but I thought I should turn off just to be sure.

-You say he made the right choice about my direction of travel. Well I think he just happened to see me at a later date and lucked out. Why? Because I was heading East in the central part of town when I first saw him. He pulled me over headding south in a different part of town. He did not follow me, he had gone a different route. Right choice? Hard to swallow.

-Right choice where to find me? See above, I was in a different part of town heading in a different direction. Unless ESP is taught in RCMP training then I have my doubts.

-Pick me out of a crowd? What if he picked the wrong person? The only reason we know he didn't is because I have stated it was me. If I hadn't mentioned that when I first posted then perhaps your tune would be a little different?

-Yes I was guilty, I am not disputing that fact. What I am disputing is that an RCMP member can charge a person well after the "incident" occured with out any solid proof other that the options on my truck or whatever. He should have to be able to proove it was me which I don't feel he could have under these circumstances. Just because the individual wears a badge, does not mean he is not human and does not mistakes.

-Vehicle identification: Just for the sake of argument, if I gave you the model and year of my truck would you be able to list all the possible options on my truck without any help? Like I said, there wasn't much to identify my truck by other than the ATV in the back (he saw me from the front keep in mind), my truck is a plain jane (clean) 2005 truck without anything different done to it since I bought it new.

-A dashboard camera would not have helped the officer unless it was pointed out the passenger window as he passed. He did not have my plate # because he told me he didn't. You say I have too many what if's stacked up against me, but he does not have any solid proof it was me at the very same time. I should not have to proove it wasn't me, HE should have to proove it WAS me, which I don't think he could.

Again, I do see your point Rob, I have vast amounts of respect for the RCMP, but in this situation I think the officer took advantage of his position and the situation.

 

"But, I don't feel I was caught under the correct circumstances."


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Translation

Excuse me sir. I realize I'm guilty however I don't think that I like how I got caught, so I don't think you have the right to give me a ticket.

Does Saturday Night Live know that you write this stuff?

LOL

 

I know you have respect for the police and while there may be some bad apples in the box, the police have respect for you as well. Again, should you feel wronged here, you are fully entitled to have your day in front of the JP and dispute the fact. If you feel there is sufficent grounds for a arguement in your favour, go ahead with the process. Perhaps the RCMP member will get a lashing from the judge and change his ways in the future. Always wear your seatbelt is what this comes down to, parking lots are considered a public road, so buckle up any time that a vehicle is going to be in motion.

 

I know this is off topic..but I have a question.

If I get stopped and I havnt done anything wrong (no speeding, no drinking, ect, ect..)..is being 17 reason enough to search the car?

I am driving up to wasaga beach next month and I know that area is going to be swamped with cops.

 

What exactly are you planning on hiding?

And Killowatt I bowed out of this thread nto because I donèt like a good debate but itès very clear to see you are not here for a debate. You have made your mind up already and are not open to reasonable answers.

 

So if the police officer mistakenly pulled you over thinking you were me, and fined you for it you be fine with that?