Yeah right...
everyone is gonna believe the pioneer is the best in the world [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
Btw, the product is only as good as it user
And if you think pioneer is the best because its the loudest, think again, its the competitors who are the loudest not thier product [img]tongue.gif[/img]

 

I was just saying jordy that in testing 2ohms is the sweet spot for the spl 5000 amps granted there are still some flaws with this amp that still need to be figured out for the sreet class competitors,I really like seeing peoples opions and 2Cents good to see guys, the amp has not done so well in testing berps under 2 Ohms though its cliping out below 1 ohm so still work to do on them, still think they will dominate street and super street for the time being, But just like any company there is always another one out to steal the spot light. Just like DD 9900 and 9500 will most likely will not be the loudest subs in street in the near future, I can tell you there are some other subs out there that are going for the record books. technology is changing the way equipement is being made now,so something can be loud now and another product can be brought out in a couple of months and be better cheaper and louder . Can't wait to see the scores from Eruo nationals should be good and LOUD

 

Take a look at the scores lessy. [img]graemlins/deal4u.gif[/img]

As of now Pioneer amps & subs helped power Scott Owens to a world record 176.6db's. [img]graemlins/bow.gif[/img] So yeah I think that qualifies that they are the top dog for now. What other proof do you want?

Nobody said it was only amps and subs that make a winner. If that were true anyone with deep enough pockets could win a record. It's been proven year after year that money alone will not guarantee a win. Experience, creativity and passion are the determining factors that seperate excellence from mediocrity. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

 

Okay then... I'm gonna trade in my 2000watt Planet amps for 1500 watt Pioneers because right now they are the loudest amps.
Oh, almost forgot.. got to get those loudest subs too
Now how do I get to 170 from here

 

All good points. Btw, I know that the tone of a message isn't always conveyed properly on the Internet so I hope you don't think I'm flaming you or bashing the product. I just love a good debate [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] So, on to the points.

#1- CEA-2006 compliancy is done at 14.4v. We both know that Scott is getting a bit more power out of them by running them at 17v. CEA tells us what it's doing at 14v but doesn't say anything about 17v. There are plenty of amps that will do considerably more power than 1500w at 14v. Remember, this thread is about the best STREET amps. No doubt these amps do a lot of power, but that doesn't mean they'd be good for street purposes.

#2- The title of "loudest vehicle" seems to transfer continents after every big event. I was just pointing out that the Euro's haven't had their chance to show off yet. Lets see what they do before we get TOO crazy about that result. If it holds up past next weekend I'll be very impressed.

#3- Some Euro competitors may very well use this amp as well. However THE Euro competitor to beat (Mikko Virta) uses SPL Dynamics amps.

btw.. you've got PM [img]graemlins/deal4u.gif[/img]

 

But you said the only SUBS that will burp these at 2 Ohms is the Pioneer 5000 SPL.

I assumed you meant the TS-W5000SPL, which is why I was asking.

 

here's my thoughts. a amp that's literally less than 1/4 of the size of a Crown, or 1/4 the size of a treo 6000, is going to be LESS power with today's technology! sorry to break it to everyone, but if i had a choice between either the pioneer or the crown, or treo... well all the stats are in front of you. do the research. each of the other amps make WELL over 6000 watts. the TREO itself makes over 10K! so clearly it was the users of the pioneer.
I'm sure Scot Owens, and Steve Cook could have done JUST as well if not better with bigger amps


Livin Loud

 

Chris where the hell do u get your facts from??? is your knowledge even based on anything or just whatever u read on termpro?

u sayin the pioneer amp will dominate the street class, how u know this? what happened to your comment about american bass 200.1 dominating the street class???? i bet any money u have not even seen either amp in person. Please man, stop reading termpro and reposting it here.

[ April 06, 2005, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: Prolifik ]

 

I get my facts from a reliable person (Through Pioneer), but everyone has there own say on the different matters here on the board, and if its information that they want to share then I think they should be aloud to coment on them, I didn't even know that term pro was commenting on the 5000 SPL amps. Of coarse i am not trying to pi$$ anyone off here I am just stating what info has been given to me as it could help some out. Kurtis and prolifik what amps are you guys planning on using?? . Yes Prolifik I do think the 200.1 will be very loud in street if the voltage doesen't go down, like it did for Keyur last year at IASCA finals where he had to roll into a berp I (think) if people can keep the voltage up with the amps strapped it has the potental to be loud!
Sorry if any of the info I have given hasen't deterd any competitors, or Deterd you prolifik!!
P.S how much money did you want to bet that I have seen One or the other amp Prolifik. SPL5000
or 200.1. PM on how much u would like to wager??

 

I don't believe that the Pioneers are the end all be all best amplifier.

They have proven themselves to be one of the big dawgs so far.

Its all about the right combination. Install, power, subs, enclosure, voltage, etc.....

If you get the combination right then the SPL "lock" shall open.