Sundown testing... the build up.
Originally Posted by Prolifik
lol ok sure, so we gonna try and have a test with a positive result in an attempt to offset the test with negative results? Dude, its all marketing. This is only helping the sundown people and I give them credit for creating such buzz with such simple product.
It's not about marketing at all and your accusations of such are a perfect example of why you could not be trusted to "test" this product, nor any product, in my opinion.
lol this is where u are wrong. This IS marketing, this is far from science. This product has already been sold and is in wide use, this IS marketing. Keeping the brand/model talked about - marketing.
Look, I dont use it and I am talking about it - that is the whole point - good marketing. Do you have this amp? No. Are you arguing with me over this? Yes - good marketing.
This is all about BRAND AWARANESS, keeping your name at the forefront of consumer's mind, watch when the 3000 comes out no one will care or even remember all these tests with the 1500 amp. Tell me about science then. All this is, is good marketing.
you made me laugh with "your accusations" comment. Dude im sorry to say it but you dont know anything. It really does not matter how good or how bad a result it, as long as you have both results contradicting each other - it only helps the publicity.
Look, I dont use it and I am talking about it - that is the whole point - good marketing. Do you have this amp? No. Are you arguing with me over this? Yes - good marketing.
This is all about BRAND AWARANESS, keeping your name at the forefront of consumer's mind, watch when the 3000 comes out no one will care or even remember all these tests with the 1500 amp. Tell me about science then. All this is, is good marketing.
you made me laugh with "your accusations" comment. Dude im sorry to say it but you dont know anything. It really does not matter how good or how bad a result it, as long as you have both results contradicting each other - it only helps the publicity.
Last edited by Prolifik; Aug 14, 2007 at 12:01 PM.
Jordy, do a few diff tests.. first do a street setup test with 1 battery, then the next do it with a bunch of batteries..
make sure you record all the numbers (voltage and amps out of the amp, voltage drop from the battery, and if you can the current draw)
make sure you record all the numbers (voltage and amps out of the amp, voltage drop from the battery, and if you can the current draw)
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Originally Posted by Prolifik
lol this amps seems to have been made for some un-earthly application so who knows what kind of a test you can do. if you do a test on a normal electrical with voltage drop they sundown dude will say the test is biased and you need a better electrical. if you do it on an electrical system with no voltage drop the test will just be unrealistic for that amp since apperantly it was not made for spl application to have many batteries behind it.
you should take it up on a roof of the tallest building in Ottawa and toss it down, see if it glows while air born.
what i personally think is the dude that makes/sells these amps has totally killed the product's credibility. After reading many of his replies I, to be honest, do not really care to see any test of this amp anymore. But that's just what i think.
Let's think, what is the point of YET another test of this amp? Is someone that insecure in their product? It's only a 1500 watt amp, who really cares if it makes that or not? All the kids around the block seem to love this amp, let's just leave it at that.
you should take it up on a roof of the tallest building in Ottawa and toss it down, see if it glows while air born.
what i personally think is the dude that makes/sells these amps has totally killed the product's credibility. After reading many of his replies I, to be honest, do not really care to see any test of this amp anymore. But that's just what i think.
Let's think, what is the point of YET another test of this amp? Is someone that insecure in their product? It's only a 1500 watt amp, who really cares if it makes that or not? All the kids around the block seem to love this amp, let's just leave it at that.
Originally Posted by ChrisB
Jordy, do a few diff tests.. first do a street setup test with 1 battery, then the next do it with a bunch of batteries..
make sure you record all the numbers (voltage and amps out of the amp, voltage drop from the battery, and if you can the current draw)
make sure you record all the numbers (voltage and amps out of the amp, voltage drop from the battery, and if you can the current draw)
I don't remember if it was someone from sundown or ultimate that I offered to test for, got an initial response... then nothing... 
Anyway Jordy... IMO the only test that is going to mean spit will have to use a non inductive load... testing output with subs will give a reactive number that will vary from sub to sub and will always measure high......... Id also suggest you setup a laptop with a voltage divider and a copy of RightMark audio analyzer (free!) so you can report THD #'s....
As far as the meters... just let us know what you are using so everyone has an idea of accuracy... a cheap clamp might give about 3% + 8 digit count accuracy, which could work out to it being more then 20% off....
Anyway Jordy... IMO the only test that is going to mean spit will have to use a non inductive load... testing output with subs will give a reactive number that will vary from sub to sub and will always measure high......... Id also suggest you setup a laptop with a voltage divider and a copy of RightMark audio analyzer (free!) so you can report THD #'s....
As far as the meters... just let us know what you are using so everyone has an idea of accuracy... a cheap clamp might give about 3% + 8 digit count accuracy, which could work out to it being more then 20% off....
I agree with what Chris and dogstar both said. The big thing will be to measure everything for each setup, including imp rise etc.
I think you should test one amp off a completely stock electrical at 1 ohm nominal like Jacob said these amps were made for.
To quiet down us rowdy westerners, I think it would be a good idea to do some battery limited dbdrag street tests (off 1 and 2 good batteries) in a pure burp setup (car off) and lower impedances. Most serious competitors run strapped pairs (2/4 amps per battery), but I guess that depends on how many amps Jacob sends you.
Testing a street beat setup at sane impedances and with a realistic # of batteries behind the amps to minimize voltage drop would be good as well.
The only amp I'd be curious to see on 16+V is the 3000d (again burp setup with a big battery bank).
Just my $0.02.
I think you should test one amp off a completely stock electrical at 1 ohm nominal like Jacob said these amps were made for.
To quiet down us rowdy westerners, I think it would be a good idea to do some battery limited dbdrag street tests (off 1 and 2 good batteries) in a pure burp setup (car off) and lower impedances. Most serious competitors run strapped pairs (2/4 amps per battery), but I guess that depends on how many amps Jacob sends you.
Testing a street beat setup at sane impedances and with a realistic # of batteries behind the amps to minimize voltage drop would be good as well.
The only amp I'd be curious to see on 16+V is the 3000d (again burp setup with a big battery bank).
Just my $0.02.
Originally Posted by Haunz
I don't remember if it was someone from sundown or ultimate that I offered to test for, got an initial response... then nothing...
Anyway Jordy... IMO the only test that is going to mean spit will have to use a non inductive load... testing output with subs will give a reactive number that will vary from sub to sub and will always measure high......... Id also suggest you setup a laptop with a voltage divider and a copy of RightMark audio analyzer (free!) so you can report THD #'s....
As far as the meters... just let us know what you are using so everyone has an idea of accuracy... a cheap clamp might give about 3% + 8 digit count accuracy, which could work out to it being more then 20% off....
Anyway Jordy... IMO the only test that is going to mean spit will have to use a non inductive load... testing output with subs will give a reactive number that will vary from sub to sub and will always measure high......... Id also suggest you setup a laptop with a voltage divider and a copy of RightMark audio analyzer (free!) so you can report THD #'s....
As far as the meters... just let us know what you are using so everyone has an idea of accuracy... a cheap clamp might give about 3% + 8 digit count accuracy, which could work out to it being more then 20% off....
The best way (imho) to measure how an amp will do in a vehicle with a sub is to actually test that way.
Also, we're discussing straight power here. THD hasn't even come in to the equation yet and I'm not confident that I would be able to test for it properly.
Originally Posted by JordyO
Woohoo.. someone who answerd the question!!
Originally Posted by ChrisB
Also if possible try this at different impedances.. we can figure out impedance rise from numbers, if you need any help with anything PM now
