Head Unit Choices
02-26-2004, 06:32 PM
#21
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I have never heard an owner of a P9 complain nor have I seen them selling their units in droves. The same is true of the eclipse unit (I have heard it and it is very good). These and the Alpines mentioned are full featured units with lots of stuff to give you whatever feature you might desire.
I have leaned towards the simple HU is good camp, maybe because I am old fashioned (read old) or maybe because my idea of value is about parts quality and reliability. I am not saying the eclipse/Alpine/Pioneer P9 are shoddy, I just shy away from gizmos until I feel I need them. Fozzz by buying the fully loaded units you are looking at you could be saving time and money. I think all of the advice has been good you are in the catbird seat dude!
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But is there another head unit that I should be looking at. I know that the Pioneer isn’t the best sounding unit out there, but from what I can see it's the most complete unit available.
I have leaned towards the simple HU is good camp, maybe because I am old fashioned (read old) or maybe because my idea of value is about parts quality and reliability. I am not saying the eclipse/Alpine/Pioneer P9 are shoddy, I just shy away from gizmos until I feel I need them. Fozzz by buying the fully loaded units you are looking at you could be saving time and money. I think all of the advice has been good you are in the catbird seat dude!
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02-26-2004, 07:11 PM
#22
Well to be honest the only thing I am looking for is good sound in my car. If that means that I need lots of toys then so be it. I'm not affraid of spending cash as long as it gets the job done to my satisfaction. I have installed the P9 system in cars before and I will say that its a great unit, I just wanted some other opinions on what I might be missing.
Thanx guys
[ February 26, 2004, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: fozzz ]
Thanx guys
[ February 26, 2004, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: fozzz ]
02-26-2004, 07:19 PM
#23
All the bells and whistles in a cd player are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them. A processor is used as a band aid for a problem or to solve an identified problem. In this case the question is head unit choices. This means cd player, not cd player + processor to improve sound. Start with a good cd player, proper equipment and proper installation, you may not even need the band-aid. I'm not saying the Pioneer is a bad choice but is the terms of sq it falls short of the Eclipse. In the terms of flexibility with bells and whistles, the Eclipse may for now fall short, but like I stated earlier, all the bells and whistles are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them.
02-26-2004, 08:08 PM
#24
Originally posted by MR2NR:
All the bells and whistles in a cd player are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them. A processor is used as a band aid for a problem or to solve an identified problem. In this case the question is head unit choices. This means cd player, not cd player + processor to improve sound. Start with a good cd player, proper equipment and proper installation, you may not even need the band-aid. I'm not saying the Pioneer is a bad choice but is the terms of sq it falls short of the Eclipse. In the terms of flexibility with bells and whistles, the Eclipse may for now fall short, but like I stated earlier, all the bells and whistles are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them.
All the bells and whistles in a cd player are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them. A processor is used as a band aid for a problem or to solve an identified problem. In this case the question is head unit choices. This means cd player, not cd player + processor to improve sound. Start with a good cd player, proper equipment and proper installation, you may not even need the band-aid. I'm not saying the Pioneer is a bad choice but is the terms of sq it falls short of the Eclipse. In the terms of flexibility with bells and whistles, the Eclipse may for now fall short, but like I stated earlier, all the bells and whistles are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them.
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02-27-2004, 09:44 AM
#25
Originally posted by t money:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by slingshot2:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 152.5 with one sub aint bad:
i agree with scarlemthug the eclipse 8053 is the best sounding headunit i have ever heard...
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by slingshot2:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 152.5 with one sub aint bad:
i agree with scarlemthug the eclipse 8053 is the best sounding headunit i have ever heard...
Those decks are probably not what fozz is looking to spend but they are all solid decks.
I'm biased though...I like decks that don't have all the fancy stuff on them and usually that means there expensive for some stupid reason....I'll leave the fancy stuff for the proccessor. </font>[/QUOTE]how does the drx9575 with the dph7500 compare to the drx9255.I have a deal for $350 for the combo and wonder how good it is and if its worth it.not trying to steal the thread </font>[/QUOTE]the 9575R is a sweet unit, definatly more fancy stuff than I like but the sound quality reflects upon the company...Excellent....that proccessor should help out quite a bit...I actually almost bought a 9575R (just the deck) for 250 can...I could have sold it for 400. Anyway, wicked set-up..good luck. Should make your way to Audiowaves in Oshawa some day, when it opens in mid-march so I can have a listen to it, hopefully I'll have a car put together within the next month or so too.
02-27-2004, 02:55 PM
#26
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Originally posted by Kool:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MR2NR:
All the bells and whistles in a cd player are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them. A processor is used as a band aid for a problem or to solve an identified problem. In this case the question is head unit choices. This means cd player, not cd player + processor to improve sound. Start with a good cd player, proper equipment and proper installation, you may not even need the band-aid. I'm not saying the Pioneer is a bad choice but is the terms of sq it falls short of the Eclipse. In the terms of flexibility with bells and whistles, the Eclipse may for now fall short, but like I stated earlier, all the bells and whistles are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MR2NR:
All the bells and whistles in a cd player are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them. A processor is used as a band aid for a problem or to solve an identified problem. In this case the question is head unit choices. This means cd player, not cd player + processor to improve sound. Start with a good cd player, proper equipment and proper installation, you may not even need the band-aid. I'm not saying the Pioneer is a bad choice but is the terms of sq it falls short of the Eclipse. In the terms of flexibility with bells and whistles, the Eclipse may for now fall short, but like I stated earlier, all the bells and whistles are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them.
[img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]I personally would take an 8 series over the P9 combo just because I dont wanna have to deal with a huge exterior processor and I believe that the eclipse will sound more natural and clearer than the pioneer. Everyone has there own opinion but saying im biased is stupid. Yes I love my eclipse HU, but if you can show me something available on the north american market that sounds better than an 8 series eclipse without the need for an external processor and doesnt cost $5000 then I would be suggesting that unit.
02-27-2004, 03:10 PM
#27
Originally posted by scarlemthug:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Kool:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MR2NR:
All the bells and whistles in a cd player are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them. A processor is used as a band aid for a problem or to solve an identified problem. In this case the question is head unit choices. This means cd player, not cd player + processor to improve sound. Start with a good cd player, proper equipment and proper installation, you may not even need the band-aid. I'm not saying the Pioneer is a bad choice but is the terms of sq it falls short of the Eclipse. In the terms of flexibility with bells and whistles, the Eclipse may for now fall short, but like I stated earlier, all the bells and whistles are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Kool:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MR2NR:
All the bells and whistles in a cd player are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them. A processor is used as a band aid for a problem or to solve an identified problem. In this case the question is head unit choices. This means cd player, not cd player + processor to improve sound. Start with a good cd player, proper equipment and proper installation, you may not even need the band-aid. I'm not saying the Pioneer is a bad choice but is the terms of sq it falls short of the Eclipse. In the terms of flexibility with bells and whistles, the Eclipse may for now fall short, but like I stated earlier, all the bells and whistles are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them.
[img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]I personally would take an 8 series over the P9 combo just because I dont wanna have to deal with a huge exterior processor and I believe that the eclipse will sound more natural and clearer than the pioneer. Everyone has there own opinion but saying im biased is stupid. Yes I love my eclipse HU, but if you can show me something available on the north american market that sounds better than an 8 series eclipse without the need for an external processor and doesnt cost $5000 then I would be suggesting that unit. </font>[/QUOTE]Lol Chris you clearly are biased. You always reccomend Eclipse no matter what. Also, you said you believe the Eclipse would sound better and clearer, when you've never used those specific Pioneer pieces. If you haven't used the pieces that you're comparing the Eclipse unit to, then it is not a fair, or accurate comparison.
02-27-2004, 03:53 PM
#28
Originally posted by scarlemthug:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Kool:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MR2NR:
All the bells and whistles in a cd player are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them. A processor is used as a band aid for a problem or to solve an identified problem. In this case the question is head unit choices. This means cd player, not cd player + processor to improve sound. Start with a good cd player, proper equipment and proper installation, you may not even need the band-aid. I'm not saying the Pioneer is a bad choice but is the terms of sq it falls short of the Eclipse. In the terms of flexibility with bells and whistles, the Eclipse may for now fall short, but like I stated earlier, all the bells and whistles are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Kool:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MR2NR:
All the bells and whistles in a cd player are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them. A processor is used as a band aid for a problem or to solve an identified problem. In this case the question is head unit choices. This means cd player, not cd player + processor to improve sound. Start with a good cd player, proper equipment and proper installation, you may not even need the band-aid. I'm not saying the Pioneer is a bad choice but is the terms of sq it falls short of the Eclipse. In the terms of flexibility with bells and whistles, the Eclipse may for now fall short, but like I stated earlier, all the bells and whistles are no good if you are not going to ring and blow them.
[img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]I personally would take an 8 series over the P9 combo just because I dont wanna have to deal with a huge exterior processor and I believe that the eclipse will sound more natural and clearer than the pioneer. Everyone has there own opinion but saying im biased is stupid. Yes I love my eclipse HU, but if you can show me something available on the north american market that sounds better than an 8 series eclipse without the need for an external processor and doesnt cost $5000 then I would be suggesting that unit. </font>[/QUOTE]You are in fact biased. Every time Eclipse is mentioned on this board you are all over it. Lets hear a comment on the problems Eclipse decks have had such as the turn on problems with the 8443 that are being discussed on ECA right now. Furthermore, you can pick a P9 up for far less than 5 grand. The DEQ P9 is not huge, it is fairly compact actually. It has far more processing ability than the Eclipse by itself. I can't believe you are even comparing them on the same level. The P9 can do so much more than the Eclipse unit, and it should since it costs more. I am by no means saying the 8053 isn't a great deck, but it simply isn't on the same level as the P9.
02-27-2004, 04:38 PM
#29
What turn on probems? I have had no failures with any Eclipse head unit of the 2003 model year. I am infact one of the largest Eclipse dealers in Western Canada for that matter and if this problem is out there, surely I would have seen it by now, however I sure hope not to if it does exist. Failures can happen in any brand, we can post it up for all to see if we look hard enough.
I too am biased towards Eclipse, but this biasing has come at the expense of years and years of being able to enjoy all brands of head units and watching each company year to year. This does not mean that it is the only head unit line that I do sell or have sold over the years.......
I too am biased towards Eclipse, but this biasing has come at the expense of years and years of being able to enjoy all brands of head units and watching each company year to year. This does not mean that it is the only head unit line that I do sell or have sold over the years.......
02-27-2004, 04:48 PM
#30
Originally posted by MR2NR:
What turn on probems? I have had no failures with any Eclipse head unit of the 2003 model year. I am infact one of the largest Eclipse dealers in Western Canada for that matter and if this problem is out there, surely I would have seen it by now, however I sure hope not to if it does exist. Failures can happen in any brand, we can post it up for all to see if we look hard enough.
I too am biased towards Eclipse, but this biasing has come at the expense of years and years of being able to enjoy all brands of head units and watching each company year to year. This does not mean that it is the only head unit line that I do sell or have sold over the years.......
What turn on probems? I have had no failures with any Eclipse head unit of the 2003 model year. I am infact one of the largest Eclipse dealers in Western Canada for that matter and if this problem is out there, surely I would have seen it by now, however I sure hope not to if it does exist. Failures can happen in any brand, we can post it up for all to see if we look hard enough.
I too am biased towards Eclipse, but this biasing has come at the expense of years and years of being able to enjoy all brands of head units and watching each company year to year. This does not mean that it is the only head unit line that I do sell or have sold over the years.......
http://forum.elitecaraudio.com/showt...threadid=87785
As for your choice of Eclipse, I would take an 8053 over a DEH 940. But I do not consider the 8053 in the same class as the P9 combo. It is like comparing a BMW 5 series to a BMW 7 series.
