Head Unit Choices
03-05-2004, 03:02 PM
#71
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Originally posted by defro13:
I support them because they produce a very reliable product that is at the top of the market right now .
They make some nice decks but in terms of SQ they arent close to eclipse.
I support them because they produce a very reliable product that is at the top of the market right now .
They make some nice decks but in terms of SQ they arent close to eclipse.
I am not questioning your experiences with Eclipse, but I did notice that the model numbers you mention are not 01 or 02 models. I believe those are 00 models if not older. We all know that Eclipse had some major issues in 99-00(mainly the weird skip and blip problem), but unless you had a ton of 01 and 02 decks go back(which certainly has not been the local shop's experience), I think saying eclipse is NOT reliable now based on decks from 4-5 years ago seems inaccurate. Yes, for a period, Eclipse, overall, had some major issues.
The 01 models were such as the cd5441(different from the 5441), cd8051, cd8061 and 02 models were cd5442, cd8052, cd8062.
What, if any, issues, did you have with those models or other 01-02 eclipses?
[ March 05, 2004, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: PerryB ]
03-06-2004, 07:53 AM
#72
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eclipse has had more failures in all the years that i sold it than any other manufacturer, and ive sold eclipse from way back in the korbon days(ecd510 and so on) i aslo said that those were just the cd players in 2000-2002 and said we stopped carying eclipse aroung the beginning of 2002 becaude of the first 2002 model we got we were unable to get one of the cd players that was their hi-end one to not skip, i believe it was and 8053 maybe, cant recall the model but that was the final straw, eclipse has and i belive always will have failure problems, if they couldnt get it right for 8 straight years, maybe even longer, why would it be right now, and again i believe that eclipse makes a great and probobly above average sounding cd player and i sold it with that comfort in mind, but always new that it wasnt a matter of if but when it would fail, but was willing to pay the price knowing that the eclipse was a great sounding cd player imo
03-06-2004, 08:00 AM
#73
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Join Date: Nov 2001
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Originally posted by defro13:
eclipse has had more failures in all the years that i sold it than any other manufacturer, and ive sold eclipse from way back in the korbon days(ecd510 and so on) i aslo said that those were just the cd players in 2000-2002 and said we stopped carying eclipse aroung the beginning of 2002 becaude of the first 2002 model we got we were unable to get one of the cd players that was their hi-end one to not skip, i believe it was and 8053 maybe, cant recall the model but that was the final straw, eclipse has and i belive always will have failure problems, if they couldnt get it right for 8 straight years, maybe even longer, why would it be right now, and again i believe that eclipse makes a great and probobly above average sounding cd player and i sold it with that comfort in mind, but always new that it wasnt a matter of if but when it would fail, but was willing to pay the price knowing that the eclipse was a great sounding cd player imo
eclipse has had more failures in all the years that i sold it than any other manufacturer, and ive sold eclipse from way back in the korbon days(ecd510 and so on) i aslo said that those were just the cd players in 2000-2002 and said we stopped carying eclipse aroung the beginning of 2002 becaude of the first 2002 model we got we were unable to get one of the cd players that was their hi-end one to not skip, i believe it was and 8053 maybe, cant recall the model but that was the final straw, eclipse has and i belive always will have failure problems, if they couldnt get it right for 8 straight years, maybe even longer, why would it be right now, and again i believe that eclipse makes a great and probobly above average sounding cd player and i sold it with that comfort in mind, but always new that it wasnt a matter of if but when it would fail, but was willing to pay the price knowing that the eclipse was a great sounding cd player imo
Oh well, everybody has different experiences with equipment, that's for sure.
03-08-2004, 10:02 PM
#74
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Would you guys agree that the source unit is the most important part of any audio system (car or home audio), becuase it's at the source unit where the signal originates.
If the source unit is the most important part then I would like to take out my Clarion source and replace it with a Denon DCT Z1 source unit.
If the source unit is the most important part then I would like to take out my Clarion source and replace it with a Denon DCT Z1 source unit.
03-09-2004, 08:42 AM
#76
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Every piece of the chain is as important as the next. That being said, it's harder to make a bad sounding head unit than a bad sounding speaker, or a bad sounding install. If you can get speakers and speaker positioning down, you have at least 75% of the battle won as far as SQ goes.
03-09-2004, 08:55 AM
#77
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Dereck, I agree that all parts of the signal chain are important. It's just that I've been reading alot of home audio magazines, and in each of these magazines, the source unit is always identified as the most important part of the chain. So, this is why I am wondering if the source unit plays the most important part in car audio as it apparently does in home audio.
03-09-2004, 09:21 AM
#78
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Ok guys, time for another test?
Keith I'll get a high end home CD player hooked up to the car and see if I can tell much of a differenct between it an my DVA-7996.
But...it won't be until next week. I pulled all of my electronics out of the car to build a new amp rack. (I've got 4 more channels of amplification coming)
And I've got myself into an interconnect delema...
This hobby is silly!
Adam
Keith I'll get a high end home CD player hooked up to the car and see if I can tell much of a differenct between it an my DVA-7996.
But...it won't be until next week. I pulled all of my electronics out of the car to build a new amp rack. (I've got 4 more channels of amplification coming)
And I've got myself into an interconnect delema...
This hobby is silly!
Adam
03-09-2004, 09:39 AM
#79
Hehehe, silly hobby.
I believe source and install is most important.
When the average kid pulls out his Pioneer DEH-1400 and installs the Denon Z1 mommy and daddy bought for him, is he gonna hear a difference? Probably not, not without a proper install. Without a proper install and x-over, mommy and daddy just wasted a lot of money.
Install, is the biggest thing though. Hehe, I had to say it before Tom
If a Denon Z1 or Nak CD-700 was the end all of imaging/sound problems, then everyone that competes would be using one.
I believe source and install is most important.
When the average kid pulls out his Pioneer DEH-1400 and installs the Denon Z1 mommy and daddy bought for him, is he gonna hear a difference? Probably not, not without a proper install. Without a proper install and x-over, mommy and daddy just wasted a lot of money.
Install, is the biggest thing though. Hehe, I had to say it before Tom
If a Denon Z1 or Nak CD-700 was the end all of imaging/sound problems, then everyone that competes would be using one.
03-12-2004, 06:30 PM
#80
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 241
How many of those manufacturers (outside of Eclipse) shrugged their shoulders when defective products got sent in? Or even worse said "what you talkin' 'bout Willis?" and then sent the radios back unrepaired, claiming no problem found? That is why Eclipse has been on my shizznit list for a while.
Juan
Juan
Originally posted by MR2NR:
Wow, nice biased links, seems that every Tom, Dick and Harry with an issue let the world know about it. This is no different than having a bad meal or a pair of shoes that don't fit. Anyone can find something to whine about when it comes to any brand of cd player, no company is immune to this. But to those that are close minded, that is on their shoulders, not those that can look at things from a different perspective.
Here is something to chew on.
1992-1994 Sony CDX5040 and CDX5080 had severe skipping issues. And any Sony made unit like Blaupunkt.
1990-1992 Alpine first generation detach faceplates volume issues.
1988-1994 Pioneer power supply issues
2000 Panasonic faceplate bulbs
? - 2004 Blaupunkt code security
? - 2004 Kenwood motorized face failures
The fact is that if there is a turn on thump problem with the cd player it has nothing to do with sq and yes Eclipse should and will address it, but a good installer can solve the problem.
Wow, nice biased links, seems that every Tom, Dick and Harry with an issue let the world know about it. This is no different than having a bad meal or a pair of shoes that don't fit. Anyone can find something to whine about when it comes to any brand of cd player, no company is immune to this. But to those that are close minded, that is on their shoulders, not those that can look at things from a different perspective.
Here is something to chew on.
1992-1994 Sony CDX5040 and CDX5080 had severe skipping issues. And any Sony made unit like Blaupunkt.
1990-1992 Alpine first generation detach faceplates volume issues.
1988-1994 Pioneer power supply issues
2000 Panasonic faceplate bulbs
? - 2004 Blaupunkt code security
? - 2004 Kenwood motorized face failures
The fact is that if there is a turn on thump problem with the cd player it has nothing to do with sq and yes Eclipse should and will address it, but a good installer can solve the problem.
