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Old 12-21-2009, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by vrdublu
I have a hard time following you as well John. You say TA is good then you say it can't compensate for the mid 2' away. You say it can't improve height and center of a given soundtrack........Well, it can and it does, that's it's only purpose for existance. You can also use TA without auto EQ and set it yourself. This is not a fix for everything that is car audio, this was already mentioned earlier in the thread. All I can tell you is.....Listen to this deck or something like it, set it up and listen to it. Then go back into your own car without it and tell me it doesn't work or doesn't work that well. Finally: adjusting EQ post TA calibration should not effect TA significantly at all, and as I have said before, it can be manually readjusted to what you thought it was.
John Vroom isn't alone. I find myself lost as well reading some of your posts. The bottom line is that T/A is NOT neccessary for proper staging. Yes, it is easier than a complicated install, yes it can help MOST vehicles, but it is by NO means absolutely neccessary. And challenging one of the more seasoned and knowledgable people on the forums and in car audio in general (John Vroom) doesn't really sound like a good idea.
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Old 12-21-2009, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RomanticMoments
John Vroom isn't alone. I find myself lost as well reading some of your posts. The bottom line is that T/A is NOT neccessary for proper staging. Yes, it is easier than a complicated install, yes it can help MOST vehicles, but it is by NO means absolutely neccessary. And challenging one of the more seasoned and knowledgable people on the forums and in car audio in general (John Vroom) doesn't really sound like a good idea.
Not trying to be a douche here just find myself repeating the same thing over and over again to people that have either not read all the posts from the start, or don't know anything about these decks. By challenge you mean question his opinion based statements? Not everyone knows everything, I know it's a difficult thing to grasp but that's life, just trying to shed a little light, take it for what it's worth, if you don't agree or don't understand what I'm trying to get across I'm sorry. The start of the "THREAD" was taken out of context to begin with so in order to understand what I'm trying to relay may be difficult to understand, or perhaps I'm not good at explaining things. Nonetheless; I recommend it to anyone that doesn't want to spend a fortune on a hobby with diminishing returns, by that I mean, you're only going to get so much out of car audio/home audio beyond a certain point. Whatever that point is, is up to you or should I say your pocket book.
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Old 12-21-2009, 02:46 PM
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Oh, I can assure you, I understand decks, and car audio in general, and have read all of the posts. It is my thread. And yes, by challenge, I did in fact mean how you were calling out John Vroom, the reason isn't important. As much as you are capable of putting down a response like your last, which appeared to be open minded and balanced in opinion and fact, you are equally capable of making general statements and drawing absolute conclusions, putting you in an opposite position. The latter being the reason this thread was started. No worries, you're not alone, and only the catylist for this thread being started. A myth is an opinion, fact is fact. You seem to be able to deliver both. I appologize if I find that confusing..... Now, let's get back to the matter on-hand. If you have anything you want to talk about with me or my opinions, PM me. Keep it off the thread. Just seperating myth from fact is entertainment and educational enough, we don't need a flame war coming out of it.
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I agree with you. Ultimately a 2seat car is going to be near impossible to get the same results as a 1seat car. For everyday, when a buddy hops in the passenger seat for a listen, I'll take the 2 seat car.

I'd like to offer as well that, for our 15000+ members, that maybe two dozen or less can really understand, appreciate, and expect the level of performance that a world level car delivers.
i disagree with that statement. a 2 or 4 seater car can be easily as good as a 1 seater car. all you have to do is remove the rest of the seats!
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:03 PM
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:25 PM
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i disagree with that statement. a 2 or 4 seater car can be easily as good as a 1 seater car. all you have to do is remove the rest of the seats!
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i find SQ to be some what similar to religion. People tend to believe whatever they want to believe.
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I would have to agree with you there.
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kind of true for most subjective pursuits!
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Old 12-22-2009, 04:25 PM
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"SQ" is a situation of ignorance for the most part. I have no hard statistics to back my next statement, but I'd wager a guess that less than 20% of the Canadian population has experienced good quality, balanced sound. More often than not, someone's perception of good audio is only what they've been exposed to. The guy in the body-kitted Civic with stock speaks and 2 12's doesn't make good quality sound. Actually, I would have absolutely no respect for Bose had I not listened to properly set up 901's. Sonically impressive, I have to admit. I remember working in a big box store and all I would do is bump up the gain a touch on the subwoofer of a 5.1 display (quick and easy way to increase bass response without increasing volume) and people would flock over. It sounded like hell, but it was "cool" and "cool" sounds good. People will come to my house and listen to music I play from my record player and be blown away by the SQ. Is it better than a CD? Technically, no. But it's been set up properly.
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