loudtdi

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Test equipment cannot test for everything our ears/brains are capable of hearing.

SUX 2BU

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While I personally don't feel there are sonic differences in wire, I'd take the opinion of someone who is a non-audiophile (more or less like Pusnboobs wife, assuming she just listens and isn't deep into the hobby) and notices a difference and can say what that difference is WAY before from someone all bent on being convinced their silly-expensive wire HAS to be that much better than the cheap stuff. It's about bias and 'innocence' for lack of a better word.

There's a condecending connotation when someone says "Your ears have to be accurate or sensitive enough to hear it." Implying someone can be a 'better' audiophile because they have the ears for it and you can never be that way because you don't have the ears they do.

But at the bottom of it all, nobody will ever know what someone else hears. Not with todays technology anyway. There should be no shame in someone saying "I can't/don't hear that." Unfortunately, there always will be.

[ June 04, 2005, 11:39 AM: Message edited by: SUX 2BU ]

RedZone

imo its a placibo affect. you spend more money so your brain makes you think it sounds better. and hey if that makes someoen happy let them be happy. imo copper is copper.

veeman

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Why don't a few of you guys that own stereo shops do an experiment; wire a system with cheap and high end cables via a switch box, every customer that comes in can do a simple listening test and give their opinion as to which sounds better or sounds the same. I agree it's not very scientific but it has great empirical value and would give a very good indication as to the overall importance of cables as far as SQ goes. It would allow a much greater sample of listeners. I would guess that any reasonably busy store should be able to get a few hundred opinions every few months or so.
I've done it myself a few times with friends and family with no one able to discern any difference at all. Every once in a while someone says a or b, but later on when I do it again to them they either give "no difference" or choose the other letter which negates their previous response.
Anyway seems cheap enough to do and will give some interesting results if nothing else.

pusnboob

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I hope you're not refering to MY post, Dukk. 'Cause it was MY ears I was trashing...not yours. I did say that I couldn't really tell a difference between the cables and that my wife could.

mike bisson

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Mike - Bose relies on the fact that people cannot remember a reference.. This is why they are never displayed beside conventional speakers. They have their own room or corner or whatever. Until specifically compared against a decent quality tower, most people never miss what the Bose speakers don't reproduce. Once a side by side is done I have never had anyone say that they cannot tell or that the difference is not very apparant.

I agree that there are two sides. I don't presume that I will "convert" anyone to my thinking. I find it very much the other way around.

Kinda like vegetarians - I couldn't care less that they don't eat meat, more for me , but many I know seem to feel the need to prattle on about how bad meat is and [img]graemlins/blah.gif[/img] I find 'wire people' the same way - like convincing me lends validation to their opinion or something. [/QUOTE]


Dukk -- I agree; I think if you check my posts what I am trying to get across is that in the past I have demonstraited differences to myself and clients -- but it is not a "contest" to see who is more perceptive. I myself don't always hear every detail of every system -- Heck, I never could hear what my ex-wife was saying at all

All I am saying is that some people enjoy the improvement that better wire and cable can sometimes have on a system. Does that mean that brand x interconnect for $400 is going to improve a system beyond belief? No. Nevertheless, anyone who knows me, knows I suggest good wire within "reasonable" price limits. For example I personally recommend speaker wire $2-5 ft, RCAs $15-50 for a 15ft run.