the 2011 season
09-30-2010, 03:28 PM
#81
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All fantastic ideas... I used to do exactly that at my shop in "the middle of nowhere" in Central Ontario. I would run the meter, my guys would run the shop, my wife would run the barbeque and every Friday night we would set up and see who came out.
The first few shows were less than stellar for turnout (5 to 10 cars), but as the promotion moved forward, it turned into 20, 30 even 40 cars every Friday night.
And, it wasn't just diehard competitors... it was local people just wanting to check out what their system could do.
And (putting my shop owner's hat on) Friday night was my best day of the week for business, nearly triple what I'd do on a regular day or even a Saturday. The best part was we were all just hangin' out... it wasn't about business, it was about having fun and the business just came to us.
No offense to competitors (hell, I was one for almost ten years), but dealers need to look at competitions as an advertising tool... and when advertising, consistency is the key factor for success.
I can't speak for the other orgs, but IASCA's Rookie classes are designed for the local people who have never done it before and want to see what it's like. I know, I designed those classes!
And here's another thought regarding expenses... Most veteran competitors don't really care if they get a trophy or not; they know what their cars can do and they're usually at events to gain points. So, just have trophies for the Rookie Classes and do cash prizes for the veteran guys (like winning their entry fee back for first place). Budget gets reduced, newcomers have an award to show off to their friends and the veteran competitors who win get to compete for free...
And fyi, the sanctioning fee for IASCA events is only $50.00, not $100.00. Plus, any current IASCA member can now host events as long as their membership is current.
Moe
The first few shows were less than stellar for turnout (5 to 10 cars), but as the promotion moved forward, it turned into 20, 30 even 40 cars every Friday night.
And, it wasn't just diehard competitors... it was local people just wanting to check out what their system could do.
And (putting my shop owner's hat on) Friday night was my best day of the week for business, nearly triple what I'd do on a regular day or even a Saturday. The best part was we were all just hangin' out... it wasn't about business, it was about having fun and the business just came to us.
No offense to competitors (hell, I was one for almost ten years), but dealers need to look at competitions as an advertising tool... and when advertising, consistency is the key factor for success.
I can't speak for the other orgs, but IASCA's Rookie classes are designed for the local people who have never done it before and want to see what it's like. I know, I designed those classes!
And here's another thought regarding expenses... Most veteran competitors don't really care if they get a trophy or not; they know what their cars can do and they're usually at events to gain points. So, just have trophies for the Rookie Classes and do cash prizes for the veteran guys (like winning their entry fee back for first place). Budget gets reduced, newcomers have an award to show off to their friends and the veteran competitors who win get to compete for free...
And fyi, the sanctioning fee for IASCA events is only $50.00, not $100.00. Plus, any current IASCA member can now host events as long as their membership is current.
Moe
09-30-2010, 03:41 PM
#82
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Non-sanctioned shows are a bad idea. As mentioned, nobody but locals with nothing to do will show up. There is no way that more people will be attracted to an event with no credibility. People don't show up at Doug's Big DragRacing Show. They show up at an NHRA event.
Moe's suggestion is a good one for the more frugal shops:
Isn't there still the AVU in Duncan? I don't know if the same guy owns it now as in....2000-ish... but he was a decent guy who should be game for a show.
Visions and FS are never going to do shows. Too much corporate BS to wade through.
Moe's suggestion is a good one for the more frugal shops:
And here's another thought regarding expenses... Most veteran competitors don't really care if they get a trophy or not; they know what their cars can do and they're usually at events to gain points. So, just have trophies for the Rookie Classes and do cash prizes for the veteran guys (like winning their entry fee back for first place). Budget gets reduced, newcomers have an award to show off to their friends and the veteran competitors who win get to compete for free...
Visions and FS are never going to do shows. Too much corporate BS to wade through.
09-30-2010, 03:41 PM
#83
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 956
the best shows i have seen you can tell someone have time to tink about how/who/why/date/time
and the shops that trys to do a fast show ,do not go off well ie next doors shop is having there big point 3x point show and we will have a small show with just db show with 1 2 3 place at $50 to go into it
and the shops that trys to do a fast show ,do not go off well ie next doors shop is having there big point 3x point show and we will have a small show with just db show with 1 2 3 place at $50 to go into it
09-30-2010, 04:23 PM
#84
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Join Date: Jul 2010
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non sanctioned shows are a horrible idea. A lot of the veteran guys go for points towards world finals or for a loud certified dbdrag score which will require them to attend a 2x or 3x event to do so. A non sanctioned event instantly drops its level of importance down significantly in most competitors minds, no matter who puts it on.
Cash prizes will never work. Unless maybe the winner of each class got his/her entry fee back...that would be cool. If you're in this hobby to make money then you're a dumbass and are in the wrong hobby lol. But farthermore as a shop owner...if you're putting on shows thinking you're going to make money...then you're a dumbass aswell bc that will never happen. Not right away atleast. Majority of shop owners and people who put on competitions realize this but some of the newcomer guys like 604 for instance dont seem to grasp how it works. But thats fine...companies with those sorts of attitudes all get sifted out eventually anyway.
Like I said previously, the veteran guys DONT CARE about trophies. They're after points during the season and then putting up a good score at finals...or if they arent attending finals then they will want to put up the best score possible during each competition. Most competitors fall into the latter category.
Team Custom Dale gives away his old accumulated trophies at his shows because all they really do is take up space after a certain point.
I say either offer trophies for rookies only.
or
Adjust entry fees for people wanting trophies or not wanting trophies. $15 entry for a certificate (free thru termlab software), or $25 if you want a trophy.
Everyone is happy...ppl who want trophies get them. And ppl who bitch about expensive entry fees get a break there too.
Also this will give the shop owners some intel as to if people really care about trophies or not. If 5% of the people who compete want trophies, then next time around...no trophies and cheaper entry for all!
Cash prizes will never work. Unless maybe the winner of each class got his/her entry fee back...that would be cool. If you're in this hobby to make money then you're a dumbass and are in the wrong hobby lol. But farthermore as a shop owner...if you're putting on shows thinking you're going to make money...then you're a dumbass aswell bc that will never happen. Not right away atleast. Majority of shop owners and people who put on competitions realize this but some of the newcomer guys like 604 for instance dont seem to grasp how it works. But thats fine...companies with those sorts of attitudes all get sifted out eventually anyway.
Like I said previously, the veteran guys DONT CARE about trophies. They're after points during the season and then putting up a good score at finals...or if they arent attending finals then they will want to put up the best score possible during each competition. Most competitors fall into the latter category.
Team Custom Dale gives away his old accumulated trophies at his shows because all they really do is take up space after a certain point.
I say either offer trophies for rookies only.
or
Adjust entry fees for people wanting trophies or not wanting trophies. $15 entry for a certificate (free thru termlab software), or $25 if you want a trophy.
Everyone is happy...ppl who want trophies get them. And ppl who bitch about expensive entry fees get a break there too.
Also this will give the shop owners some intel as to if people really care about trophies or not. If 5% of the people who compete want trophies, then next time around...no trophies and cheaper entry for all!
09-30-2010, 04:54 PM
#85
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Posts: 2,141
non sanctioned shows are a horrible idea. A lot of the veteran guys go for points towards world finals or for a loud certified dbdrag score which will require them to attend a 2x or 3x event to do so. A non sanctioned event instantly drops its level of importance down significantly in most competitors minds, no matter who puts it on.
Cash prizes will never work. Unless maybe the winner of each class got his/her entry fee back...that would be cool. If you're in this hobby to make money then you're a dumbass and are in the wrong hobby lol. But farthermore as a shop owner...if you're putting on shows thinking you're going to make money...then you're a dumbass aswell bc that will never happen. Not right away atleast. Majority of shop owners and people who put on competitions realize this but some of the newcomer guys like 604 for instance dont seem to grasp how it works. But thats fine...companies with those sorts of attitudes all get sifted out eventually anyway.
Like I said previously, the veteran guys DONT CARE about trophies. They're after points during the season and then putting up a good score at finals...or if they arent attending finals then they will want to put up the best score possible during each competition. Most competitors fall into the latter category.
Team Custom Dale gives away his old accumulated trophies at his shows because all they really do is take up space after a certain point.
I say either offer trophies for rookies only.
or
Adjust entry fees for people wanting trophies or not wanting trophies. $15 entry for a certificate (free thru termlab software), or $25 if you want a trophy.
Everyone is happy...ppl who want trophies get them. And ppl who bitch about expensive entry fees get a break there too.
Also this will give the shop owners some intel as to if people really care about trophies or not. If 5% of the people who compete want trophies, then next time around...no trophies and cheaper entry for all!
Cash prizes will never work. Unless maybe the winner of each class got his/her entry fee back...that would be cool. If you're in this hobby to make money then you're a dumbass and are in the wrong hobby lol. But farthermore as a shop owner...if you're putting on shows thinking you're going to make money...then you're a dumbass aswell bc that will never happen. Not right away atleast. Majority of shop owners and people who put on competitions realize this but some of the newcomer guys like 604 for instance dont seem to grasp how it works. But thats fine...companies with those sorts of attitudes all get sifted out eventually anyway.
Like I said previously, the veteran guys DONT CARE about trophies. They're after points during the season and then putting up a good score at finals...or if they arent attending finals then they will want to put up the best score possible during each competition. Most competitors fall into the latter category.
Team Custom Dale gives away his old accumulated trophies at his shows because all they really do is take up space after a certain point.
I say either offer trophies for rookies only.
or
Adjust entry fees for people wanting trophies or not wanting trophies. $15 entry for a certificate (free thru termlab software), or $25 if you want a trophy.
Everyone is happy...ppl who want trophies get them. And ppl who bitch about expensive entry fees get a break there too.
Also this will give the shop owners some intel as to if people really care about trophies or not. If 5% of the people who compete want trophies, then next time around...no trophies and cheaper entry for all!
when you drive 10 hrs or so to a show you wanna atleast have somthing to show for your efforts besides pts , the rookies get reeled in when they seee a nice award they can take home from the work of their stereos , really if somone cant afford 20 to 30 dollors theres somthing wrong trophy kits can be bought for reasonible prices , and dukk the guy who manages avu here in duncan ran db drag with wayne harris for years his names sean but he longer has a passion for car audio and just cares about selling tvs , james thats great that your doing shows in 2010 there will be atleast 2 shows on vancouver island elevated wants to do a show again and ill be needing a judge for a show here in duncan so hope to see you out here for some shows
09-30-2010, 05:19 PM
#86
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Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 1,412
great feedback so far.. keep it comming..as far as future shop doing a show no way in hell is it going to happen... why glad you asked.. Moe you will love this one. when we were doing House of Boom.. things went good for the first yr..second yr was where the trouble started at a show somewhere in the lower mainland a girl was harrassed and took us to court and won!!! and it had nothing to due with future shop except that it happened on the grounds where we were holding the show!!!! so after 2 million dollars spent on these shows and the law suit, there is a bad bad taste in f.s. mouth... and now you know the rest of the story.
09-30-2010, 06:09 PM
#88
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 912
there already is supposed to be a waiver for competitors to sign....
but this girl may have been a spectator....getting spectators to sign a waiver is pointless....nobody would want to check things out if they think there might be some sort of issue prompting liabilities...
I'm with you too luke. I have no problem paying $25 or $30 for entry. I WANT MY TROPHY DAMNIT!! certificates are cool, but I have a termlab, and can print them off myself. I wouldn't need to pay someone to do it for me.
everyone that sees my trophy collection gets jealous. baseball teams, martial arts guys, bowling teams, etc., very rarely get to earn a trophy as nice as a typical single point event. I've gotten many people interested in the sport, just from the swag and trophies available. Not to mention that what else are you going to do all day for $25 or $30?? You couldn't even go to the waterslides or playland for that cheap.....
but this girl may have been a spectator....getting spectators to sign a waiver is pointless....nobody would want to check things out if they think there might be some sort of issue prompting liabilities...
I'm with you too luke. I have no problem paying $25 or $30 for entry. I WANT MY TROPHY DAMNIT!! certificates are cool, but I have a termlab, and can print them off myself. I wouldn't need to pay someone to do it for me.
everyone that sees my trophy collection gets jealous. baseball teams, martial arts guys, bowling teams, etc., very rarely get to earn a trophy as nice as a typical single point event. I've gotten many people interested in the sport, just from the swag and trophies available. Not to mention that what else are you going to do all day for $25 or $30?? You couldn't even go to the waterslides or playland for that cheap.....
09-30-2010, 06:16 PM
#89
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there already is supposed to be a waiver for competitors to sign....
but this girl may have been a spectator....getting spectators to sign a waiver is pointless....nobody would want to check things out if they think there might be some sort of issue prompting liabilities...
I'm with you too luke. I have no problem paying $25 or $30 for entry. I WANT MY TROPHY DAMNIT!! certificates are cool, but I have a termlab, and can print them off myself. I wouldn't need to pay someone to do it for me.
everyone that sees my trophy collection gets jealous. baseball teams, martial arts guys, bowling teams, etc., very rarely get to earn a trophy as nice as a typical single point event. I've gotten many people interested in the sport, just from the swag and trophies available. Not to mention that what else are you going to do all day for $25 or $30?? You couldn't even go to the waterslides or playland for that cheap.....
but this girl may have been a spectator....getting spectators to sign a waiver is pointless....nobody would want to check things out if they think there might be some sort of issue prompting liabilities...
I'm with you too luke. I have no problem paying $25 or $30 for entry. I WANT MY TROPHY DAMNIT!! certificates are cool, but I have a termlab, and can print them off myself. I wouldn't need to pay someone to do it for me.
everyone that sees my trophy collection gets jealous. baseball teams, martial arts guys, bowling teams, etc., very rarely get to earn a trophy as nice as a typical single point event. I've gotten many people interested in the sport, just from the swag and trophies available. Not to mention that what else are you going to do all day for $25 or $30?? You couldn't even go to the waterslides or playland for that cheap.....
agreed its a great feeling looking at all your accomplishments in trophy form
10-01-2010, 09:06 AM
#90
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Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 17
great feedback so far.. keep it comming..as far as future shop doing a show no way in hell is it going to happen... why glad you asked.. Moe you will love this one. when we were doing House of Boom.. things went good for the first yr..second yr was where the trouble started at a show somewhere in the lower mainland a girl was harrassed and took us to court and won!!! and it had nothing to due with future shop except that it happened on the grounds where we were holding the show!!!! so after 2 million dollars spent on these shows and the law suit, there is a bad bad taste in f.s. mouth... and now you know the rest of the story.
I can't remember how much the settlement was for, but it was a pretty high settlement.
That's why Trends doesn't do shows any more... the "Slam Jam" series was awesome back in the day...
But enough of that...
It's going to take ambitious and dedicated individuals to make shows happen, period. It takes a lot of preparation too; a person can't decide to hold a show and a month later there it is; it takes months of preparation and budgeting to make sure the event is successful and it doesn't cost a small fortune.
And, those who do want to host shows shouldn't pick "sides" either. Every org has its merits and there are a lot of people out there who compete in many orgs. Choosing one particular org alienates the others and lessens the turnout.
If all of us here are interested in the preservation of competition in Canada, then we need to look at the bigger picture; it's not "just" about dB Drag, or IASCA, or USACi, it's about our industry as a whole, including all of its retailers, distributors and manufacturers.
And don't forget consistency... one or two shows a year won't cut it... if we want our industry to grow, we need to commit to its success.
