A Debate on the many different aspects of sound
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Of course on the other side, when something works, there's no sense doing something that doesn't work to say you are different. How many of you have square wheels on your cars, because you want to be inovators?
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^Well I guess that would be the other extreme [img]tongue.gif[/img]
But really - when KPs were the hot ticket anyone with dash/door/Apillar mounted tweets got the [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img] and now as soon as people see KP tweets they envision the rainbow..
But really - when KPs were the hot ticket anyone with dash/door/Apillar mounted tweets got the [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img] and now as soon as people see KP tweets they envision the rainbow..
when it comes to this stuff
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^ We've just been around the block a few times 
As have quite a few here.
Not sure what you mean here. FS as in the resonant frequency of the driver? It helps determine box size and lower is usually considered better but IMO that's about all.
As have quite a few here.
What role does FS play in SPL or SQ?
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I'd have to say the look of a system has a lot to do with the perceived SQ.
I know that when I listen to a system, if I see things that I know are wrong, I won't give it an "objective" evaluation, 'cause I "know" it could be better. Not a concious choice, but rather a "I'm not gonna waste my time getting my head in the right space" kinda thing.
Having judged in the past, and been beaten by some cars that were inferior to mine, but had a better "spiel", I know that the sound is not all that is judged in the SQ section of the score sheet.
Then there is the example of someone spending weeks on making an elaborate structure, only to have people comment on the visible flaws.
Ever done a big vinyl job, and had someone point out a small imperfection? Doesn't matter how much effort went into it....the flaws are what stand out. Makes you want to slap em!!!
I can remember when I was first getting into home audio, staring at my huge Kenwood receiver, and thinkin how much nicer it made it sound, just by looking at all that power, and glowing blue display.
I know that today, just by telling someone what they are about to hear, they notice it, and judges are no different than any other human....we all have somewhat limited senses, and those of us with the most experience (oldest) have the least. And yet that same experience can overcome the loss of hearing, by inference, memory, and being "in tune" with the elusive "multi-sensory" aspect of experiencing a stimulating event.
I know that when I listen to a system, if I see things that I know are wrong, I won't give it an "objective" evaluation, 'cause I "know" it could be better. Not a concious choice, but rather a "I'm not gonna waste my time getting my head in the right space" kinda thing.
Having judged in the past, and been beaten by some cars that were inferior to mine, but had a better "spiel", I know that the sound is not all that is judged in the SQ section of the score sheet.
Then there is the example of someone spending weeks on making an elaborate structure, only to have people comment on the visible flaws.
Ever done a big vinyl job, and had someone point out a small imperfection? Doesn't matter how much effort went into it....the flaws are what stand out. Makes you want to slap em!!!
I can remember when I was first getting into home audio, staring at my huge Kenwood receiver, and thinkin how much nicer it made it sound, just by looking at all that power, and glowing blue display.
I know that today, just by telling someone what they are about to hear, they notice it, and judges are no different than any other human....we all have somewhat limited senses, and those of us with the most experience (oldest) have the least. And yet that same experience can overcome the loss of hearing, by inference, memory, and being "in tune" with the elusive "multi-sensory" aspect of experiencing a stimulating event.
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just got home from a live motown show at the commodore ballroom in vancover. man was that show awsome, i listened intentley for over 3 hrs to some of the best musicians alive today playing songs like "sunsine on a cloudy day" to "just call my name and ill be there". i now know what we are all missing when we listen to music in our cars or in our homes, its the pure energy created by the instruments. when that brass section kicked in, the horns gave me goosebumps with there range and sheer volume!! sorry merridian you make one of the best speakers in the world but you are no match for live music. i guess all we can hope for is for our systems to sound good to us and make us forget our troubles if only for a short while.
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Originally posted by beamrider:
just got home from a live motown show at the commodore ballroom in vancover. man was that show awsome, i listened intentley for over 3 hrs to some of the best musicians alive today playing songs like "sunsine on a cloudy day" to "just call my name and ill be there". i now know what we are all missing when we listen to music in our cars or in our homes, its the pure energy created by the instruments. when that brass section kicked in, the horns gave me goosebumps with there range and sheer volume!! sorry merridian you make one of the best speakers in the world but you are no match for live music. i guess all we can hope for is for our systems to sound good to us and make us forget our troubles if only for a short while.
just got home from a live motown show at the commodore ballroom in vancover. man was that show awsome, i listened intentley for over 3 hrs to some of the best musicians alive today playing songs like "sunsine on a cloudy day" to "just call my name and ill be there". i now know what we are all missing when we listen to music in our cars or in our homes, its the pure energy created by the instruments. when that brass section kicked in, the horns gave me goosebumps with there range and sheer volume!! sorry merridian you make one of the best speakers in the world but you are no match for live music. i guess all we can hope for is for our systems to sound good to us and make us forget our troubles if only for a short while.
That would have been awesome to check...............let me know if you hear of anything else like that...........
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these have won muliple awards, as being the worlds best speakers. These, Redefy amazing. Honestly man, check out thet DDD bending wave converter. Its mind-bending, really. It BLOWS my mind, the idea and design. I'd Love to compare these to those meridians, too bad though, they're best line, costs $250k USD. per pair.
