Initial impressions of the PXA-H900
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System has to be balanced. That's smart design and planning. $1100 on front stage amps, F1 deck and pro (?!) and then AVI? Youch 
Not to crush AVI, but not if what Paul is saying is true about you using an AVI front end, why would you do that after investing in all the other places?
What's Gary Biggs, Mark Eldridge, Scott Buwalda and some of the other lads using for decks and processing now-a-days?? Them boys have HUGE budgets............... what about the top Canadian competitors?? Most of those guys I seen have been using the Japanese version of the P9/ODR system. Steve Cornell was other guy at the top of the game using Pioneer. Steven Head ............ last time I demo'd his car was using an Sony C90 and processor.
Anyways................
Bottom line will come back to this as was said. INSTALLATION. If the builder doesn't have the building skills and the smarts to spend the time planning and laying it out rite, it's all J-U-N-K.
And yes, the F1 system is AWESOME. Do I want to play with one in my car............ oh hell yeah. Will I ever buy one............ not likely. It's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond my goals in it's abilities versus what it costs. For the cost of an F1 system (deck and pro) I can buy ALL the gear I need to clean up on the competition circuit, and have cash left over to buy beer on ice and Cuban gars for all of my friends........... which to me........... is way more important.
Not to crush AVI, but not if what Paul is saying is true about you using an AVI front end, why would you do that after investing in all the other places? What's Gary Biggs, Mark Eldridge, Scott Buwalda and some of the other lads using for decks and processing now-a-days?? Them boys have HUGE budgets............... what about the top Canadian competitors?? Most of those guys I seen have been using the Japanese version of the P9/ODR system. Steve Cornell was other guy at the top of the game using Pioneer. Steven Head ............ last time I demo'd his car was using an Sony C90 and processor.
Anyways................
Bottom line will come back to this as was said. INSTALLATION. If the builder doesn't have the building skills and the smarts to spend the time planning and laying it out rite, it's all J-U-N-K.
And yes, the F1 system is AWESOME. Do I want to play with one in my car............ oh hell yeah. Will I ever buy one............ not likely. It's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond my goals in it's abilities versus what it costs. For the cost of an F1 system (deck and pro) I can buy ALL the gear I need to clean up on the competition circuit, and have cash left over to buy beer on ice and Cuban gars for all of my friends........... which to me........... is way more important.
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what is the matter with avi speakers, they have had excellent reviews in many magazines(seems like that is how many people base there opinions on) sound great and i know of a car that handed a bunch of audison and focal filled thier collective asses at a recent show, you have lowered yourself to insuting specific products, pretty lame. if you think you can build a system in you car for the cost of a f#1 cd player and processor, that will "clean up" on a competition level concictently, knock yourself out, i'd belive it when i see it, maybe in novice 1- 300 or whatever the entry level classes are but not againnst pro's and experts. eldrigde uses a heavily modified 7909 and processors that are quite on the expensive side, but that aside you keep refering to the importance of installation, that was a given from the start of this discussion, and i think we all know that.
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Tom, you can play with my toys any time you want. Just bring beer and Cuban cigars. [img]smile.gif[/img]
I spent several hours today at a boat building yard. I figure if I'm going to do something new with regard to materials and their integration, I better get all the help I can. I've got the owner of this mid-sized boat building shop pretty jazzed about getting involved with my crazy ideas. Should be fun.
So yeah, I love the H900, but it's a waste without my install being at the same level. Now I've just got figure out how to build a mould...
Adam
I spent several hours today at a boat building yard. I figure if I'm going to do something new with regard to materials and their integration, I better get all the help I can. I've got the owner of this mid-sized boat building shop pretty jazzed about getting involved with my crazy ideas. Should be fun.
So yeah, I love the H900, but it's a waste without my install being at the same level. Now I've just got figure out how to build a mould...
Adam
Perhaps what is meant about the AVIs is that because they are not one of or the most expensive component sets on the market (like say the top Rainbows), then that must indicate that your system is not the best it can be because of price being a major indicator of quality. Just my observation though. And because of that, the 900 would be useless because it does not have the best/priciest items to form the rest of the system.
Originally posted by Dukk:
Yes I campaign for the 'reality' side of audio where amps are a buck a watt or less and speakers are under $100/inch. Does that mean that I am a "hobbiest" and don't strive for ultimate sound quality?
I wouldn't bet on it.
Sure the megabuck gear has a place and it has a clientele too. The attitude that if one does not own that gear that it makes them or their system inferior though is ignorant.
Yes I campaign for the 'reality' side of audio where amps are a buck a watt or less and speakers are under $100/inch. Does that mean that I am a "hobbiest" and don't strive for ultimate sound quality?
I wouldn't bet on it.
Sure the megabuck gear has a place and it has a clientele too. The attitude that if one does not own that gear that it makes them or their system inferior though is ignorant.
Originally posted by defro13:
i still dont think you can get 95% of a porsche buying a volkswagon [img]tongue.gif[/img]
i still dont think you can get 95% of a porsche buying a volkswagon [img]tongue.gif[/img]
It is not about the tools, it is about the craftsman using them (or at least that is what I tell my wife
).
Originally posted by defro:
I reiterate again that the law of diminishing returns doesnt apply in audio due to the subjectiveness of it
I reiterate again that the law of diminishing returns doesnt apply in audio due to the subjectiveness of it
); however, the law of diminishing returns is a philisopical concept and applies to both the objective and subjective. Because of this a more valid comment would be:"the law of diminishing returns is of minimal concern with regard to my opinion of audio" or something like that. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
The reason for this is even if you feel that any expense is justified for any improvement in audio, it still does not mean that you are not spending far more dollars to gain that last 5% of improvement than you spent getting the first 95% of your system's performance.
I only mention this because philosophy is a powerful tool in comprehending life -- but as Steve Martan once said, the funny thing about Philosophy is that "the more Philosophy you learn, the less you know". [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img]
Oh, and to make a long post longer... it has dawned on me that one of the best strengths of this board is that often many of the best threads involve the "Socratic Method" -- learning by asking questions of ourselves and others! [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img]
And finally, in the spirit of the upcoming weekend BEBO, ERGO SUM (I drink, therefore I am) [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img]
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like youve said before mike, i guess we will agree to disagree. i think you may have missed my point aboutr the volks/porsche thing, lets say that schumacher is the the driver, and he is driving both cars, think of schumacher as the install, this whole discussion has be based on the installs being optimized. if you dont have really hi end, highly regarded, proven gear, applied correctly, is you system not inferior?
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Originally posted by defro:
if you dont have really hi end, highly regarded, proven gear, applied correctly, is you system not inferior?
if you dont have really hi end, highly regarded, proven gear, applied correctly, is you system not inferior?
And I never attacked AVI - I agree they make a damn fine product that I was proud to sell so many years ago. They just are not the most expensive so your system, by your standards, is compromised.
I have also never attacked the F#1 stuff. Just the concept that one needs to have that kind of gear in order to be considered 'serious' or 'high end'
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"APPLIED CORRECTLEY" is the key phrase. most
good gear "APPLIED CORRECTLEY" will fit the bill. now i think that someone buying a honda civic knows that they cant get the performance of a corvette. duh!! no suprises here but for there needs and budget it works and will probably be alot cheaper to drive and maintain. but thats not to say its a worse car than the vette at 4 times the money. hell that p900 is the nicest piece out there right now and i feel if you have the chance to here one jump at the oportunity. applied correctley its like a piano to bach, applied incorrectley its like going to ........!! ouch
[ September 17, 2004, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: Dukk ]
good gear "APPLIED CORRECTLEY" will fit the bill. now i think that someone buying a honda civic knows that they cant get the performance of a corvette. duh!! no suprises here but for there needs and budget it works and will probably be alot cheaper to drive and maintain. but thats not to say its a worse car than the vette at 4 times the money. hell that p900 is the nicest piece out there right now and i feel if you have the chance to here one jump at the oportunity. applied correctley its like a piano to bach, applied incorrectley its like going to ........!! ouch
[ September 17, 2004, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: Dukk ]
