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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 05:00 PM
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isnt it time to shoot this thread in the head. "Either agree with me or your stupid" is without value and that is all I have read so far
Old Nov 28, 2005 | 07:33 PM
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Well I locked this waste of space thread and someone else opened it up............
Old Nov 28, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Newb:
25-40 dyno hp is not a small increase.
let see your stats on this from joes stats he posted there was less than a 10% increase in each case and most of them were less than that
so how is that an automotive machinist knows nothing about engines
Old Nov 28, 2005 | 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by pinhead:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Newb:
25-40 dyno hp is not a small increase.
let see your stats on this from joes stats he posted there was less than a 10% increase in each case and most of them were less than that
so how is that an automotive machinist knows nothing about engines
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Quit putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that an automotive machinist knows nothing about engines. I said that being an automotive machinist means nothing towards noticing a 25 rwhp gain.

From the first paragraph of "joes stats". "For comparison, the 2003 Cobra are seeing up to a 28 RWHP gain on the dyno!"


There's your 25+ hp. Now kindly STFU and allow me to have an opinion. You cannot "prove" that 25 rwph cannot be noticed any more than you can "prove" that all gain stages sound the same. That's about the only fact I've seen posted in this thread.
Old Nov 28, 2005 | 10:00 PM
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^ I have a feeling in ABX testing you would fail at both....

In statistics, a null hypothesis says "there is no phenomenon". It is a hypothesis that is presumed true until statistical evidence in the form of a hypothesis test indicates otherwise.

Sorry, but the onus of proof is on you newb...
Old Nov 29, 2005 | 02:24 AM
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LOL. Statistics doesn't ever prove anything. Basic logic supports the fact that you can't prove that they sound the same, only gather lots of evidence to support that.

I'm almost certain I'd fail ABX on an amp test. I'm pretty sure I'd pass ABX on a car when it's +10% hp.
Old Nov 29, 2005 | 09:21 AM
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A post from CS&P.... I tends to agree.

Originally posted by trusound: IMO double blind tests are more so testing your memory and not much more than that......
Old Nov 29, 2005 | 12:04 PM
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You can definitely feel as little as 10-15 H.P. in most cars...just put your a/c on(usually use as much as 20 h.p. in some vehicles). I know I can in every car I've ever owned or driven.
Old Nov 29, 2005 | 02:24 PM
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I think some of you guys have much stronger smoke then I have access to... [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

edit: I just don't buy that anyone would be able to tell the diff just by adding a CAI on any car without the use of a stopwatch....

who here can tell the diff between 13.2 and 12.8 seconds over 1/4 mile as might be the case with the LS1 that gained 25hp....


If I played random tones starting and ending at 13.2s and 12.8s do you really think you could tell ???

I doubt it... and I think ur all crazy... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by Haunz:

edit: I just don't buy that anyone would be able to tell the diff just by adding a CAI on any car without the use of a stopwatch....
um a cia adds maybe 5 hp at max. i dont think you would noticec that differnce. but add a full exausghts system with the cia and gain 10+ hp . you will notice.

i agree . turn on yoru air and feel yoru car bog.



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