^ concur

I have spoken to, and met briefly, Mr Wireworld and he is very science/ physics driven. His cables cost a bit but they are made very well and tend to do well at their price point.

I do not know why he would enter into this debate, neither side really does a good job of convincing the other.

 

Actually... being a Wireworld dealer for about 5+ yrs. and I was in a silly cable debate..... I emailed David Salz for his input and gave him the link to the forum. It took about 2 weeks before he posted his reply... but it was a good post. [img]smile.gif[/img]

 

point and case. my uncle lorne bought an athens home theater package from visions electronics. since visions salesman are too moronic to qulify him to what he needs to hook it up to his home theater amp, he went over to f.s. to buy some rcas to hook up to the back of his new powered sub. well he called me the next day and asked if 120.00 bucks was to much for a 12 ft rca for his sub. I said "PARDON". he said "ya they said i needed it for my sub to work properly". well i snap loose it, head fake with a bad rca end and the idiot goes for it. flurry of punches to the solarplexis, and i said is that expensive enough for you, monster cable sucker, ever since then i have been the voice of reason. sorry about that..
anyway....... i made him a set at the store with two strands of red and black wire spun with my drill. then i soldered on some fancy looking 2 buck gold plated ends and voila. he called me today and said f.s put up a huge stick about taking the cables back and that the ones i made sounded exactly the same......... exactly the same. sorry no physisist is going to tell me that huge amounts of teflon or the amout of turns on the cable will regect noise better! my ears always tell the truth to me, always and no one can tell me different. now thats not to say that YOU can here a difference just that i cant.

 

I'm not a big fan of Monster Cable now a days..... But I do agree some of the cable do look pretty good tho.

A feedback for HT subwoofer runs: I have a "non Audiophile" customer that have bought a top of the line Acoustic Research (Silver plated copper type) RCA from FS. He told me he was surprise that it made his subwoofer played so much lower and the bass filled up his whole room. unlike before..

I do agree some cables do sound similar. However, if you want to be sure.. just play something really dynamic (with acoustic instruments content)..... and focus on the initial attacks & timbre for differences.

and if no difference is heard then use whatever cost less!

Why would anyone buy the $120.00(Price of a home DVD player) rca cable? if you could build one for $20 bucks. and they both sound the same anyways! I would do exactly that too..

[ June 26, 2005, 06:47 PM: Message edited by: SweetnLow91SC ]

 

^^Yeah, I am having a bit of a problem in my left channel that's about 3001 KM long. I find if I keep the length just under the 3000 KM mark I usually have no problems.

 

IN the late 1800's were telephone companies not still using bare solid wire? so comparing that to modern speaker wire is like saying that everybody should pay an extra 10 grand for electric start on their cars because model T's only had a crank.

 

^^^ I believe it was an analogy for long cable run not being a simple resistance problem. Rather it was more to do with inductive(electromagnetic) losses.

Pnone lines are meant for speech and not wide bandwidth... therefore it can not be a straight comparison. And if it effect what little bandwidth it has to do... It would be much more drametic with much wider bandwidth for music.

 

Well it is nice to see a point based in science that supports the other side of the argument is discounted by the 'scientific' based opinions... and that is a big point in this issue, opinions and experiences are involved, this is not academia and the scientific process is neglected. From an academic point of view it makes little sense that cables with different impedance/ capacitance and resistance would sound the same. Altering impedance is one of the ways professional sound engineers alter the system sound (altering pre-out impedance). But we are talking about frog hair here, these are very fine/ small differences and will not really be significant to most, the main point is to get the timbre right.

The experiences from a century ago point out that there IS signal distortion in the cable, the question is does the solution developed solve the problem or simply get us 90% of the way there. I have always found it interesting on a painfully low fidelity medium (the telephone) that you can identify a voice (the sound has the correct timbre) yet the telephone has no HF or LF response. Many car stereos on the other hand miss the essential timbre element due to elevated frequency response.

Granted Wireworld is not objective, but neither is anyone else in this argument. They are the only ones who are trying to subjectively prove their point using the scientific process. I am not objective on this either, I am a huge fan of Kimber Kable and Wireworlds product line, so I elect to remain fairly silent on this


Your comment flies in the face of the copper is copper theory, it was ‘just’ copper back then too. Solid core cables are vogue again for speaker wire.