Most common car audio myths...
Originally posted by slow/n\low:
It is very simple... Like ^ said, Pin head with his "50 cent" stuff pounding away, and his 10 ga wire (when he should have 4) and his high end install making his amp run at "top performance".This causes his amplifier go into a clip signal.
Guys- A cliped signal will happen when either the amplitude of the signal going to the input stage of the amplifier is too large.
Or - When input voltage is too low(the transistors cant operate to produce the output and therefore Clip.)
If the amplitude Squares off then what is it playing?
Distortion:flattening of the waveform(your output signal)
Simple put: Distortion(Clipping)=heat(flat signal so speaker can't move efficiently)+time(your speakers will take the beating for awhile)=poof(no money for the ladies cause of new woofer)
You wanna see a nice tiger strip voice coil?
It is very simple... Like ^ said, Pin head with his "50 cent" stuff pounding away, and his 10 ga wire (when he should have 4) and his high end install making his amp run at "top performance".This causes his amplifier go into a clip signal.
Guys- A cliped signal will happen when either the amplitude of the signal going to the input stage of the amplifier is too large.
Or - When input voltage is too low(the transistors cant operate to produce the output and therefore Clip.)
If the amplitude Squares off then what is it playing?
Distortion:flattening of the waveform(your output signal)
Simple put: Distortion(Clipping)=heat(flat signal so speaker can't move efficiently)+time(your speakers will take the beating for awhile)=poof(no money for the ladies cause of new woofer)
You wanna see a nice tiger strip voice coil?
Originally posted by Tim Baillie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Chris B:
But still it's not underpowering that blows the speakers.. it's the user who is running the system into clipping that causes it..
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Chris B:
But still it's not underpowering that blows the speakers.. it's the user who is running the system into clipping that causes it..
Hows that ? [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]That's exactly what I was thinking
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i agree with tim all the way. I can vouch how for how clipping will blow a speaker and overpowering will not unless you exceed the drivers excursion or cooling capabilities. I ran 2 amps on a rfl and ran them into cliping and guess what VERY smelly speaker.
This sub is capable of 2000 rms, and point is i ran four 1501d's on the sub far axceeding the subs rated wattage by about 4000 rms and did not blow the woofer.
Ive found with good clean power subs can often take more power than their rated for especially in burps. Also you can murder most subs regardless of make and quality due to clipping i guess what im trying to say is. When you run an underpowered amp on a speaker the chances of clipping goes up greatly compared to having a bigger amp and leaving the gain down.
By the way you can definelty hear clipping no doubt about it. Im a hundred percent sure of it. No mistaking it when you drop from 152.5 to 146 on a touch of the deck and turning down the volumwe shoots you back up to 151 plus its definelty clipping. You can hear it cause it sounds like a dirrty buzzing noise and is all around gross to hear, quickly followed by smoke and the god awful smell of coil. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
I think that helps explain somewhat, what i have expierienced with clipping and such.
This sub is capable of 2000 rms, and point is i ran four 1501d's on the sub far axceeding the subs rated wattage by about 4000 rms and did not blow the woofer.
Ive found with good clean power subs can often take more power than their rated for especially in burps. Also you can murder most subs regardless of make and quality due to clipping i guess what im trying to say is. When you run an underpowered amp on a speaker the chances of clipping goes up greatly compared to having a bigger amp and leaving the gain down. By the way you can definelty hear clipping no doubt about it. Im a hundred percent sure of it. No mistaking it when you drop from 152.5 to 146 on a touch of the deck and turning down the volumwe shoots you back up to 151 plus its definelty clipping. You can hear it cause it sounds like a dirrty buzzing noise and is all around gross to hear, quickly followed by smoke and the god awful smell of coil. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
I think that helps explain somewhat, what i have expierienced with clipping and such.
Originally posted by Tim Baillie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by slow/n\low:
It is very simple... Like ^ said, Pin head with his "50 cent" stuff pounding away, and his 10 ga wire (when he should have 4) and his high end install making his amp run at "top performance".This causes his amplifier go into a clip signal.
Guys- A cliped signal will happen when either the amplitude of the signal going to the input stage of the amplifier is too large.
Or - When input voltage is too low(the transistors cant operate to produce the output and therefore Clip.)
If the amplitude Squares off then what is it playing?
Distortion:flattening of the waveform(your output signal)
Simple put: Distortion(Clipping)=heat(flat signal so speaker can't move efficiently)+time(your speakers will take the beating for awhile)=poof(no money for the ladies cause of new woofer)
You wanna see a nice tiger strip voice coil?
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by slow/n\low:
It is very simple... Like ^ said, Pin head with his "50 cent" stuff pounding away, and his 10 ga wire (when he should have 4) and his high end install making his amp run at "top performance".This causes his amplifier go into a clip signal.
Guys- A cliped signal will happen when either the amplitude of the signal going to the input stage of the amplifier is too large.
Or - When input voltage is too low(the transistors cant operate to produce the output and therefore Clip.)
If the amplitude Squares off then what is it playing?
Distortion:flattening of the waveform(your output signal)
Simple put: Distortion(Clipping)=heat(flat signal so speaker can't move efficiently)+time(your speakers will take the beating for awhile)=poof(no money for the ladies cause of new woofer)
You wanna see a nice tiger strip voice coil?
just makin sure.... I read that bcae thing too and thought that was leftout, i assumed it was right too because i wasn't quite sure..... [img]smile.gif[/img]
Power ratings of subs are based on thermal, or physical limitations of the driver.exeeding either will reduce the life of the suspension or v/c.
under powering,and running into clipping will overheat and burn the v/c.
clipping will actually attempt to hold the speaker's cone at the excursion that the amplifier will produce EG:just like applying straight DC current
the lack of driver movement(which cools the v/c)
makes the v/c smoke.
under powering,and running into clipping will overheat and burn the v/c.
clipping will actually attempt to hold the speaker's cone at the excursion that the amplifier will produce EG:just like applying straight DC current
the lack of driver movement(which cools the v/c)
makes the v/c smoke.
Underpowering can NOT, will NOT EVER blow a sub. Period. Clipping will not either.
It's the extra power produced by clipping that could(if it exceeds the RMS of the coil)
Say you have a 500wrms sub.
You have an amp that does 300wrms. That amp driven into full clipping will be putting out a 600wrms square wave. It's the extra power that will burn the coil over time. You put the same amp on a 1000wrms sub, even that amp, fully clipped will never hurt it.
I find it a little strange that some people continue to support myths in a post created the dispell them [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
Anyway, back to the topic [img]smile.gif[/img] :
Myth: the RMS of a sub is a power requirement
[ February 06, 2004, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: drjjg ]
It's the extra power produced by clipping that could(if it exceeds the RMS of the coil)
Say you have a 500wrms sub.
You have an amp that does 300wrms. That amp driven into full clipping will be putting out a 600wrms square wave. It's the extra power that will burn the coil over time. You put the same amp on a 1000wrms sub, even that amp, fully clipped will never hurt it.
I find it a little strange that some people continue to support myths in a post created the dispell them [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
Anyway, back to the topic [img]smile.gif[/img] :
Myth: the RMS of a sub is a power requirement
[ February 06, 2004, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: drjjg ]
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Originally posted by drjjg:
Myth: the RMS of a sub is a power requirement
Myth: the RMS of a sub is a power requirement
everybody know yous gots to feed them subz at least twice the rms rating for dem to rok [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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