Subwoofer brands, please explain this to me ..................
this is why:
most major brands are over priced.
-$400+ for a kicker L7......are you on drugs????
most major brands do not provide pesonilized customer service.
- call sony and tell them what kind of car you got and how much amp power, see if they can come up with a specific box design for your application
most major brands use poor marketing tachtics to diffirentiate themselves.
- the big mtx sub
most major brands do not have a specialized product to tailor to specific needs.
- sony, clarion and many other big brands have lines of subs that do not really even differ from model to model. the product is not tailored to anything but a price range
most major brand are bought by ppl who do no research and have no clue what they are doing/talking about - in turn making the brand itself look bad.
- " yah dude my JL is 5,000 watts!!!! " sounds familiar?
some major brands pull out power ratings and other specs out of their behinds making themselves look bad.
- i dont think i need to even talk about this one
There are VERY few big brand guys who are not bad:
Kicker L7, althought, way beyond over priced, is an amazing sub that does well for sql as well as in the db drag and idbl lanes. It takes the power its rated at and kicker has good customer service.
RF has their TRF subs which are made for all the SPL guys as well as big spl amps to go along. they have a few loud spl vehicles in north america as well as europe - now that is good marketng!
MTX, although their subs are poo poo, their amps have put them on the map in db drag and idbl. Amps are mad overpriced if u buy from a shop but who pays retail now days, right?
most major brands are over priced.
-$400+ for a kicker L7......are you on drugs????
most major brands do not provide pesonilized customer service.
- call sony and tell them what kind of car you got and how much amp power, see if they can come up with a specific box design for your application
most major brands use poor marketing tachtics to diffirentiate themselves.
- the big mtx sub
most major brands do not have a specialized product to tailor to specific needs.
- sony, clarion and many other big brands have lines of subs that do not really even differ from model to model. the product is not tailored to anything but a price range
most major brand are bought by ppl who do no research and have no clue what they are doing/talking about - in turn making the brand itself look bad.
- " yah dude my JL is 5,000 watts!!!! " sounds familiar?
some major brands pull out power ratings and other specs out of their behinds making themselves look bad.
- i dont think i need to even talk about this one
There are VERY few big brand guys who are not bad:
Kicker L7, althought, way beyond over priced, is an amazing sub that does well for sql as well as in the db drag and idbl lanes. It takes the power its rated at and kicker has good customer service.
RF has their TRF subs which are made for all the SPL guys as well as big spl amps to go along. they have a few loud spl vehicles in north america as well as europe - now that is good marketng!
MTX, although their subs are poo poo, their amps have put them on the map in db drag and idbl. Amps are mad overpriced if u buy from a shop but who pays retail now days, right?
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l7's arent overpriced by any means, i would like to know how p[rolific thinks that they are overpriced, kicker has helped drive the industry perhaps more than anyone, many companies have survived off the coat-tails of companies like kicker, mtx and rockford fosgate. most reputable major brands will help you with box designs, ie: rf, mtx, kicker, alpine, jl audio, again he's incorrect. the marketing by big companies, like mtx's big woofer, worked very well for them, as does kickers "livin loud" campaign, perhaps the most successful campaign ever, just to name a couple but i could go on, again he's incorrect. sony and clarion may very well not have the best tech support, so what, but then again who would call them a major player in the high quality woofer demographic, oh yeah prolific would. to say that all mtx woofers are poo poo is again incorrect, he may not like them but that doesnt make all of them bad, i know i would like to know if he has used all of them to make such a statement. the above misleading and outright wrong staements made me follow his sig
In the past 20 years, I've had nothing but great things to say about all the major companies listed. I have yet to return any product purchased for any reason whatsoever. That's why I usually stick to better known brand names, I have no reason to not use them. For those into specialty equipment, SQ or spl sound offs, there may be many reasons to choose lesser known brands, but for the majority of car audio enthusiasts out there that have had great success with big brands...Why change?
Tim asked about major brands, Sony and Clarion are major brands, atleast in my world.
L7 is over priced comparing to other 'basement brands' when u take into account the capability of the product vs. money spent on it. yes i've used L7's, great subs but not for the money.
yah let me tell u jl will help me with a box design, they give everyone same damn design, so does kicker and bla bla all of them. now if you call RE and ask for a box design they will ask what car, how much power and if u want music or spl.....
marketing is the beauty in the eye of beholder and i think mtx big sub campaign was stupid, i lost all respect for them.
mtx woofers are poo poo comparing to digital deisng 'basement brand' woofers. yes i have tried the 9500 mtx and they sucked in an spl application. so TO ME they are poo poo.
and i take it that u fully agree with the made up power specs?
i find it funny that even in your attempt to support the big brand companies you end up putting down Sony and Clarion.......this goes further to support my point with regards to ppl who are clueless while using the big brands. Not calling u clueless but but it sure does make you seem so when u put SONY down and say they are not a major car audio player.
PLEASE remember, I am only speaking on my behalf, im not speaking for the entire general public so PLEASE do not call my comments misguided or incorrect. I only speak from personal observations, experiance and experiance of others that has been relied to me.
[ July 14, 2005, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: Prolifik ]
L7 is over priced comparing to other 'basement brands' when u take into account the capability of the product vs. money spent on it. yes i've used L7's, great subs but not for the money.
yah let me tell u jl will help me with a box design, they give everyone same damn design, so does kicker and bla bla all of them. now if you call RE and ask for a box design they will ask what car, how much power and if u want music or spl.....
marketing is the beauty in the eye of beholder and i think mtx big sub campaign was stupid, i lost all respect for them.
mtx woofers are poo poo comparing to digital deisng 'basement brand' woofers. yes i have tried the 9500 mtx and they sucked in an spl application. so TO ME they are poo poo.
and i take it that u fully agree with the made up power specs?
i find it funny that even in your attempt to support the big brand companies you end up putting down Sony and Clarion.......this goes further to support my point with regards to ppl who are clueless while using the big brands. Not calling u clueless but but it sure does make you seem so when u put SONY down and say they are not a major car audio player.
PLEASE remember, I am only speaking on my behalf, im not speaking for the entire general public so PLEASE do not call my comments misguided or incorrect. I only speak from personal observations, experiance and experiance of others that has been relied to me.
[ July 14, 2005, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: Prolifik ]
Originally posted by Prolifik:
this is why:
most major brands are over priced.
-$400+ for a kicker L7......are you on drugs????
this is why:
most major brands are over priced.
-$400+ for a kicker L7......are you on drugs????
most major brands do not provide pesonilized customer service.
- call sony and tell them what kind of car you got and how much amp power, see if they can come up with a specific box design for your application
- call sony and tell them what kind of car you got and how much amp power, see if they can come up with a specific box design for your application
most major brands use poor marketing tachtics to diffirentiate themselves.
- the big mtx sub
- the big mtx sub
most major brands do not have a specialized product to tailor to specific needs.
- sony, clarion and many other big brands have lines of subs that do not really even differ from model to model. the product is not tailored to anything but a price range
- sony, clarion and many other big brands have lines of subs that do not really even differ from model to model. the product is not tailored to anything but a price range
most major brand are bought by ppl who do no research and have no clue what they are doing/talking about - in turn making the brand itself look bad.
- " yah dude my JL is 5,000 watts!!!! " sounds familiar?
- " yah dude my JL is 5,000 watts!!!! " sounds familiar?
some major brands pull out power ratings and other specs out of their behinds making themselves look bad.
- i dont think i need to even talk about this one
- i dont think i need to even talk about this one
There are VERY few big brand guys who are not bad:
Kicker L7, althought, way beyond over priced, is an amazing sub that does well for sql as well as in the db drag and idbl lanes. It takes the power its rated at and kicker has good customer service.
RF has their TRF subs which are made for all the SPL guys as well as big spl amps to go along. they have a few loud spl vehicles in north america as well as europe - now that is good marketng!
MTX, although their subs are poo poo, their amps have put them on the map in db drag and idbl. Amps are mad overpriced if u buy from a shop but who pays retail now days, right?
Some of you SPL guys have to wake up and realize that you're like 0.00000000000001% of the market, and most people out there that are into car audio could care less about SPL competition, especially in the higher classes where it has nothing in common with a street car. I have lots of friends that are into car audio, and they are perfectly happy with their Alpine, JL, MTX, Kicker, etc, etc.
You also seem really hung up on subwoofers, you do realize that without the big companies we wouldn't have headunits for the most part? Or much for processors, crossovers, etc? That if not for the support of major manufacturers DB Drag and IASCA would never have been formed? I don't understand how not chasing niche markets makes the big brands inferior. If MTX/JL/Kicker, etc wanted to take the tiny amount of sales that niche brands get, they could. They have the resources to, they just are shrewd enough to see that the tiny profits aren't worth it.
lol DD 9917 can infact take 20k watts for burps i have seen it with my own eyes more than once.
spl meathead eh? lol nice, the name calling finally, very mature of u.
i seem hang up on woofers b/c this post is about woofers, thats what Tim asked.
not chasing the neich markets makes them inferior TO ME b/c i am part of that neich market. Lambo owners thing cavaliers are inferior and most cavalier owners thing Lambo are a waste of money.....u see what im saying?
yes L7 is over priced, there are many 'basement brand' subs that are better at SQ and SPL and still cost less.
do u really think L7 is all custom?? Well then i guess those square woofers on ebay that go for $100 and look just like L7's or L5's are all custom as well......and so are the Hifonics square subs that cost half of what kicker costs....everything is custom from a custom catalog lol
and u would be surprized how well mdf boxes and mesh wiring can sell your product......just ask pioneer, they have had one of the loudest vehicles PERIOD in the past 2 years.........i wonder why?????? i dont think they are dumping all that money and product into the car that sells nothing.....??? or why is that they came out with a pure spl amp out of no where just to put it in that loud cars of theirs?? its the impressive numbers that sell the product, but i guess u do not see beyond an mdf box and concrete dash...
crossfire has sponsored competitors on the payroll
fosgate has competitors on the payroll
im not saying that this is the best way to market your product but this definatelly works and works well.
spl meathead eh? lol nice, the name calling finally, very mature of u.
i seem hang up on woofers b/c this post is about woofers, thats what Tim asked.
not chasing the neich markets makes them inferior TO ME b/c i am part of that neich market. Lambo owners thing cavaliers are inferior and most cavalier owners thing Lambo are a waste of money.....u see what im saying?
yes L7 is over priced, there are many 'basement brand' subs that are better at SQ and SPL and still cost less.
do u really think L7 is all custom?? Well then i guess those square woofers on ebay that go for $100 and look just like L7's or L5's are all custom as well......and so are the Hifonics square subs that cost half of what kicker costs....everything is custom from a custom catalog lol
and u would be surprized how well mdf boxes and mesh wiring can sell your product......just ask pioneer, they have had one of the loudest vehicles PERIOD in the past 2 years.........i wonder why?????? i dont think they are dumping all that money and product into the car that sells nothing.....??? or why is that they came out with a pure spl amp out of no where just to put it in that loud cars of theirs?? its the impressive numbers that sell the product, but i guess u do not see beyond an mdf box and concrete dash...
crossfire has sponsored competitors on the payroll
fosgate has competitors on the payroll
im not saying that this is the best way to market your product but this definatelly works and works well.
