SPL Competitions
03-02-2006, 08:45 AM
#4
Chris the answer is NOTHING.
People are sooooooo damn cheap its not even funny and not only cheap but also not logical. You probably already knows this that when we had the free show there were 40+ competitors who came to Toronto from far and wide just b/c the show was 'free', and at the same time they would not attend a show in their own area that would cost maybe $10-$15. I swear most people didnt care for the time and gas they spent to come from an hour away to a 'free' show yet say that a $10 entry fee for a comp in their own area is way too expensive......like wtf you just spent more than that in gas.
most people are also just talk who never show up to anything.
People are sooooooo damn cheap its not even funny and not only cheap but also not logical. You probably already knows this that when we had the free show there were 40+ competitors who came to Toronto from far and wide just b/c the show was 'free', and at the same time they would not attend a show in their own area that would cost maybe $10-$15. I swear most people didnt care for the time and gas they spent to come from an hour away to a 'free' show yet say that a $10 entry fee for a comp in their own area is way too expensive......like wtf you just spent more than that in gas.
most people are also just talk who never show up to anything.
03-02-2006, 08:59 AM
#5
Yuli - I agree 100%.
I'm just more or less curious what is lacking to make people not want to goto shows.
It's baffled me since 2004 when I did all of my shows, you give people what they ask for, and they still don't show up.
It appears almost impossible, i'm just curious why?
I'm just more or less curious what is lacking to make people not want to goto shows.
It's baffled me since 2004 when I did all of my shows, you give people what they ask for, and they still don't show up.
It appears almost impossible, i'm just curious why?
03-02-2006, 09:29 AM
#6
Here are some things that i've noticed to make some diff.
1. Promoting the event - posting on a forum simply is not even close to enough. The few good size shows (20+) cars that I had been to in the last few years were strongly promoted via other venues like radio, flyers at other related events, and flyers at the shops.
2. Location/Venue - if its easy to find and easy to get to people will come. If no one knows where the F it is half the people wont even bother. Best shows I had attended were held at popular car audio or performace shops around the GTA. People go b/c they know where it is.
3. What is offered at the show - is it spl? or spl with sq? How about something interesting like bass race? or maybe even port wars? Basically the more you offer the greater are the chances that more people will come.
4. Scale of the event - how big is the show?? Last year i did an SPL event as a part of a LARGE Neon Canada event that had maybe...200 or so cars in total. The SPL portion was entered by more than 20 guys and everyone enjoyed it and i am invited again this year to do the same for them. Most good SPL comps are held in conjunction with another event such as a show and shine or some other sort of a car show. I remember attending an SPL event at Phantom Car Audio once that was held together with a show and shine where the shop was showing off all the cars that they had done custom work on. The spl part was like 30+ people, it was crazy. You remember the Hamilton Future Shop show this past summer......once again in conjuntion with a VERY nice show and shine event. Every SPL event with a solid turn out that I have attended was always in conjunction or as a part of some other bigger event, most commonly either a show and shine or a car racing event.
Hope this helps.
1. Promoting the event - posting on a forum simply is not even close to enough. The few good size shows (20+) cars that I had been to in the last few years were strongly promoted via other venues like radio, flyers at other related events, and flyers at the shops.
2. Location/Venue - if its easy to find and easy to get to people will come. If no one knows where the F it is half the people wont even bother. Best shows I had attended were held at popular car audio or performace shops around the GTA. People go b/c they know where it is.
3. What is offered at the show - is it spl? or spl with sq? How about something interesting like bass race? or maybe even port wars? Basically the more you offer the greater are the chances that more people will come.
4. Scale of the event - how big is the show?? Last year i did an SPL event as a part of a LARGE Neon Canada event that had maybe...200 or so cars in total. The SPL portion was entered by more than 20 guys and everyone enjoyed it and i am invited again this year to do the same for them. Most good SPL comps are held in conjunction with another event such as a show and shine or some other sort of a car show. I remember attending an SPL event at Phantom Car Audio once that was held together with a show and shine where the shop was showing off all the cars that they had done custom work on. The spl part was like 30+ people, it was crazy. You remember the Hamilton Future Shop show this past summer......once again in conjuntion with a VERY nice show and shine event. Every SPL event with a solid turn out that I have attended was always in conjunction or as a part of some other bigger event, most commonly either a show and shine or a car racing event.
Hope this helps.
03-02-2006, 09:51 AM
#7
Originally Posted by Prolifik
Here are some things that i've noticed to make some diff.
1. Promoting the event - posting on a forum simply is not even close to enough. The few good size shows (20+) cars that I had been to in the last few years were strongly promoted via other venues like radio, flyers at other related events, and flyers at the shops.
2. Location/Venue - if its easy to find and easy to get to people will come. If no one knows where the F it is half the people wont even bother. Best shows I had attended were held at popular car audio or performace shops around the GTA. People go b/c they know where it is.
3. What is offered at the show - is it spl? or spl with sq? How about something interesting like bass race? or maybe even port wars? Basically the more you offer the greater are the chances that more people will come.
4. Scale of the event - how big is the show?? Last year i did an SPL event as a part of a LARGE Neon Canada event that had maybe...200 or so cars in total. The SPL portion was entered by more than 20 guys and everyone enjoyed it and i am invited again this year to do the same for them. Most good SPL comps are held in conjunction with another event such as a show and shine or some other sort of a car show. I remember attending an SPL event at Phantom Car Audio once that was held together with a show and shine where the shop was showing off all the cars that they had done custom work on. The spl part was like 30+ people, it was crazy. You remember the Hamilton Future Shop show this past summer......once again in conjuntion with a VERY nice show and shine event. Every SPL event with a solid turn out that I have attended was always in conjunction or as a part of some other bigger event, most commonly either a show and shine or a car racing event.
Hope this helps.
1. Promoting the event - posting on a forum simply is not even close to enough. The few good size shows (20+) cars that I had been to in the last few years were strongly promoted via other venues like radio, flyers at other related events, and flyers at the shops.
2. Location/Venue - if its easy to find and easy to get to people will come. If no one knows where the F it is half the people wont even bother. Best shows I had attended were held at popular car audio or performace shops around the GTA. People go b/c they know where it is.
3. What is offered at the show - is it spl? or spl with sq? How about something interesting like bass race? or maybe even port wars? Basically the more you offer the greater are the chances that more people will come.
4. Scale of the event - how big is the show?? Last year i did an SPL event as a part of a LARGE Neon Canada event that had maybe...200 or so cars in total. The SPL portion was entered by more than 20 guys and everyone enjoyed it and i am invited again this year to do the same for them. Most good SPL comps are held in conjunction with another event such as a show and shine or some other sort of a car show. I remember attending an SPL event at Phantom Car Audio once that was held together with a show and shine where the shop was showing off all the cars that they had done custom work on. The spl part was like 30+ people, it was crazy. You remember the Hamilton Future Shop show this past summer......once again in conjuntion with a VERY nice show and shine event. Every SPL event with a solid turn out that I have attended was always in conjunction or as a part of some other bigger event, most commonly either a show and shine or a car racing event.
Hope this helps.
1. I agree and disagree with, I guess it is promoting the event so it reaches the target audience. 2004 - the show we did in Angus, we spoke with between 50-100 people local to the area with car stereos.. have a good response.. guess how many of them turned up.. 0.
2. Again I agree and disagree.. the largest turnout i've had at one of my shows was 50 competitors, and that was in cayuga.. like wtf knows or cares where cayuga is :P
3. I think this does play a large roll in it, I think most new comers to shows goto 1 show, get spanked by yuli or another verteran (spanked is hopefully a metaphore for being beat), after that, they normally don't come back.
4. The scale of the show is largely based on turnout though.. I remember last year reading about a 3x dbdrag in the states that had less than 10 people compete, and it was hosted along with a big car show or something.
To me it sounds like the biggest thing to change this is unfortunatly money, but direct it in the right places.
1. Know who your target is - if it is dbdrag/iasca competitors then pretty much you can expect not many others to show up. If it is the average street bumper, finding a good way to get the message out to them. (ie. Radio, TV, Flyers, word of mouth, etc)
2. I think also the prizes offered may be a big deciding factor, most veterans don't really care, but the new comers want big bling to take home and show off.
3. Price - If it's expensive - people will not come.
4. Classes - Gotta find a fair way to divide up the competitors so that yuli isn't up against Joe Blow with a 500 watt sony amp and 1 10.
5. Combined event - Get the show in with a show and shine or something, this way maybe you can get some people from the show and shine to enter as well.
That is all I can think of for now. I know with me when I did all my shows in 2004, I was trying to help with the dbdrag scene out here, and I knew from the start because of that it would be a smaller audience than pure local shows, I also knew I would not be able to offer the best prizes, giveaways or do the advertising I wanted to do, as I am just 1 person that didn't not have a big budget. I don't know if I made a difference or not, but one thing I did notice, once I stopped doing shows, they were not nearly as many in Ontario.
03-02-2006, 10:42 AM
#8
with cayuga there was lots and lots of promotion and it was in conjunction with a very nice car racing event. but yah that location was fing ghay, i got lost so bad i had to drive thru fileds....thank God i have a 4x4.....
i remember the Angus show, it was not impressive. for some weird reason the only people who attended were not from angus.....i guess that place is not very car audio oriented.
All your points are very valid. I bet you ran into scenarios where you proposed a show to a shop and they would not be willing to put forth a ****ing single penny.....yah i got that as well. And then we wonder why shops close down. B/c they dont want to support the industry and spend a few hundred bux on trophies and flyers to put up a nice show which has a potential to bring in new customers and $$ revenue.
I remember there were ideas about rookie classes and i personally dont think power rating is the best dinominator. as you can have Joe Blow with a 500 watt amp and then you can have Chris Barclay with a 500 watt amp and get a 10 db spl difference. I think the best way is spl brakets, something similar to how bass race classes are done. 130 to 135, 136 to 140, 141 to 145 and 146+, number of subs and amps doesnt matter. I had been to many shows where they had it broken down by number of subs or amplifier power where you go would against other guys with "2 subs" or "2500-3000 watts" and then you'd have a pair (maybe 3 at the most) hardcore SPL'ers being in that same class yet beating everyone by 6 to 10 db's easily.
I wish i had a place to hold shows at. I'd do free shows all the time.
i remember the Angus show, it was not impressive. for some weird reason the only people who attended were not from angus.....i guess that place is not very car audio oriented.
All your points are very valid. I bet you ran into scenarios where you proposed a show to a shop and they would not be willing to put forth a ****ing single penny.....yah i got that as well. And then we wonder why shops close down. B/c they dont want to support the industry and spend a few hundred bux on trophies and flyers to put up a nice show which has a potential to bring in new customers and $$ revenue.
I remember there were ideas about rookie classes and i personally dont think power rating is the best dinominator. as you can have Joe Blow with a 500 watt amp and then you can have Chris Barclay with a 500 watt amp and get a 10 db spl difference. I think the best way is spl brakets, something similar to how bass race classes are done. 130 to 135, 136 to 140, 141 to 145 and 146+, number of subs and amps doesnt matter. I had been to many shows where they had it broken down by number of subs or amplifier power where you go would against other guys with "2 subs" or "2500-3000 watts" and then you'd have a pair (maybe 3 at the most) hardcore SPL'ers being in that same class yet beating everyone by 6 to 10 db's easily.
I wish i had a place to hold shows at. I'd do free shows all the time.
Last edited by Prolifik; 03-02-2006 at 10:44 AM.
03-02-2006, 11:26 AM
#10
base boxing is ok but kinda stupid at the same time, bass race is ok but kinda boring. i personally think outlaw spl where u put the mic on your headrest and u can open windows or what not and see what spl u can get at the head rest.......the real deal spl you would actually hear while driving. use music any sort of music, no tones.
