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Old 12-17-2009, 10:44 AM
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One of the biggest problems in SQ is the listener, not the listening room or car. I dont know if I can think many people who can hear any difference from one system to another, from a staging point of view. Depth seems to be the hardest thing to train your brain to hear. But it all comes down to how crazy you are for SQ. I like the technical aspects. So for me staging is almost black and white.

TA is a tool. I think in car audio, it's a required one to attain the best possible SQ. Wether from one seat or two. Lack of knowledge on how to use it or other tuning tools is a different topic.
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:49 AM
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Ooooo... Just thought of another one...

Item#2:

Speaker cables need to be equal length left to right for proper Time Alignment
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:29 AM
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^^that one is just plain dumb. Unless the length difference is ridiculous where resistance and voltage drop become an issue, i can't see how a meter or so at light speed is going to change the phase, TA, or SQ to be audible by anyone. We're talking 300,000km/sec over a few meters...that's a delay on the order of .00000003 seconds or so.
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Old 12-17-2009, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RomanticMoments
Dukk's been awefully quiet ....... Did he bump his head? Is he sick?
Sorry - I wasn't on last nite.

Item #1
Time Alignment is necessary for proper staging
My answer is no, not at all.

For Item#2 I think it should be revised to:

Speakers cable design (of adequate gauge for the service) makes any difference at all.

My answer is no.
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Old 12-17-2009, 05:05 PM
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Can someone explain x-max vs. motor force? Which is better for more impact? My LMS subs seem to lose kick during a bassline.
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Old 12-17-2009, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RomanticMoments
Ooooo... Just thought of another one...

Item#2:

Speaker cables need to be equal length left to right for proper Time Alignment
oh please , electrical signals do not travel at the speed of sound.
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Originally Posted by kevmurray
oh please , electrical signals do not travel at the speed of sound.

just imagine...a sonic boom with every symbol crash...............
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Old 12-18-2009, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rbgnwa45
Can someone explain x-max vs. motor force? Which is better for more impact? My LMS subs seem to lose kick during a bassline.
Xmax is the actually maximum physical extension of a speakers cone. Motor force is a combination of mechanical and electrical Q which will be required to move that cone. BL is the amount of force that is exerted to the cone for a given amount of current through a coil. This is the simplest way I can explain it.

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Old 12-18-2009, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by fozzz
TA is a tool. I think in car audio, it's a required one to attain the best possible SQ. Wether from one seat or two. Lack of knowledge on how to use it or other tuning tools is a different topic.
The point about One Seat vs. Two - I guess that is where I have a hard time understanding how any time related changes made to enhance one position don't create more negative effects on the other? I'll be the first to admit - I have no experience using time alignment, so my question definitely falls under the category of your last sentence.... but what the hell, I'm always happy to learn something new. Cheers!

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Old 12-18-2009, 12:49 PM
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I figured #2 would generate some rolled eyes

I'm not making these up here, I've heard some wild things and thought I'd share them to seperate myth from fact
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