The Sarnia Gestopo
12-05-2005, 07:59 PM
#51
so they busted in looking for drugs and guns, but they found only drugs. I guess that makes it bad. 
They had information given willingly to them by persons that they had arrested, they acted, quite legally on that information by getting a warant and using appropriate force to apprehend the people they were trying to get.
they had bad information, oops, it happens, get over it.
I've been pulled over and had a gun pointed at me because the cop ran my plates, and mistyped the number my car came up stolen by an armed man, about my age and description. I'm glad she did it, because she will do it to other people, who may be real criminals.
as for shooting the dog, I've just spent 2 weeks in public housing, going into houses that have pitbulls, german sheppards and many other dogs, big and small that are trained to attack anyone besides the owner of the premesis. I completely agree with the officers in their decision to shoot the animal, if it was approaching them with obvious agression (of course it didn't do that, it was a nice puppy and licked their hands, cause you were there... oh wait, you weren't, and you're hearing your sister's version, and she wasn't even there.)
if you were going into a house to search for illegal GUNS and Cocaine... are you going to go in nicely and ask?
you're hearing your little sister's story, and you're believing it hook line and sinker. take a step back.. would you personally act on information that you didn't feel was credible? cops are people, just like you, they have a job to do and they do it because you don't have the ***** to do it.
Lets remember that we're listening to one person's version of this, and it's a person who is personally offended and hurt, let's hear the officer's version... of course that won't be right, because the officer is going to make everything up... yeah... right.
you're probly voting liberal this election too...
[ December 05, 2005, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: Sassmaster ]
They had information given willingly to them by persons that they had arrested, they acted, quite legally on that information by getting a warant and using appropriate force to apprehend the people they were trying to get.
they had bad information, oops, it happens, get over it.
I've been pulled over and had a gun pointed at me because the cop ran my plates, and mistyped the number my car came up stolen by an armed man, about my age and description. I'm glad she did it, because she will do it to other people, who may be real criminals.
as for shooting the dog, I've just spent 2 weeks in public housing, going into houses that have pitbulls, german sheppards and many other dogs, big and small that are trained to attack anyone besides the owner of the premesis. I completely agree with the officers in their decision to shoot the animal, if it was approaching them with obvious agression (of course it didn't do that, it was a nice puppy and licked their hands, cause you were there... oh wait, you weren't, and you're hearing your sister's version, and she wasn't even there.)
if you were going into a house to search for illegal GUNS and Cocaine... are you going to go in nicely and ask?
you're hearing your little sister's story, and you're believing it hook line and sinker. take a step back.. would you personally act on information that you didn't feel was credible? cops are people, just like you, they have a job to do and they do it because you don't have the ***** to do it.
Lets remember that we're listening to one person's version of this, and it's a person who is personally offended and hurt, let's hear the officer's version... of course that won't be right, because the officer is going to make everything up...
yeah... right. you're probly voting liberal this election too...
[ December 05, 2005, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: Sassmaster ]
12-05-2005, 08:03 PM
#52
Haunz, thanks for looking at this with no strings attached. Once a door is kicked, first and foremost is to secure the room, this means to apprehend all individuals in this room as quick a possible and eliminate any threat. In all cases any person in the room is already a suspect and will immediately be ordered to the floor or some other type of verbal direction (hands on your head). At all times will they have a firearm trained on them. The verbal order will come once and a immediate reply must happen. Failure to comply immediately results in immediate and physical force or other actions being taken. It is normal for one to fight back in a surprise event like this. It is also not a concern of the officer at the time of affecting an arrest that he might have to tackle a person and drop them chest first onto the coffee table turning into shrapnel at the same time. The order was given and not listened to, chances are more than once.
This is how the dog was shot. The dog was unrestrained and unknown to the police at the time. It was a threat unfortunately and had to be dealt with.I imagine that they were all scared $hitless. Once the building is cleared and all threats removed will on site interrogation begin and the story can start to unfold.
No one (unless they are mentally deranged), even a police officer likes to shoot an animal let alone a person. I hope to never be in that position but I am also fully prepared to do it if necessary. I am also fully prepared to give my life if necessary to save someone else's.
Yuli, I meant throw the book at the liars dude, not the people in the room but yes those people need the drug charge as well.
[ December 05, 2005, 09:16 PM: Message edited by: MR2NR ]
This is how the dog was shot. The dog was unrestrained and unknown to the police at the time. It was a threat unfortunately and had to be dealt with.I imagine that they were all scared $hitless. Once the building is cleared and all threats removed will on site interrogation begin and the story can start to unfold.
No one (unless they are mentally deranged), even a police officer likes to shoot an animal let alone a person. I hope to never be in that position but I am also fully prepared to do it if necessary. I am also fully prepared to give my life if necessary to save someone else's.
Yuli, I meant throw the book at the liars dude, not the people in the room but yes those people need the drug charge as well.
[ December 05, 2005, 09:16 PM: Message edited by: MR2NR ]
12-05-2005, 08:12 PM
#54
Here is a real training exercise at the RCMP depot. It was developed after a fatal shooting of a police officer in NB in the early 70's.
A domestic dispute is one of the most deadly type of responses that a police officer will face (seconded only to roadside fatalities at vehicle stops). This is why the police always go with more than one person.
The scenario starts with 2 officers responding to a domestic in a trailer. Most recruits do very poorly in this scenario as it is a sensory overload.
The officers enter the trailer to find 3 people in the kitchen at the table, two people in the living room and one behind them in the bedroom. The person in the bedroom is brought out to keep in front of the officers, the two parties that are disputed are separated. The one party stays at the table with officer one and the second party is in the living room with party two. The entire time the police officer is gathering information from the two parties and they will compare notes later to decide what if any charges need to be pressed. The entire time, the two parties are yelling at each other and approaching each other.
All the while the officers are keeping them apart and talking to them. What the officer did not do was to clear the room of weapons and it was a fatal mistake as the officer in the kitchen was shot dead. IIRC, there was a knife on the table that was not removed (a big one), a baseball bat in the living room, any number of objects that can be thrown and the suspect in the kitchen with the gun that he had in his hands under the table. Matter of fact now that I think about it, the scenario plays out that the knife and the gun are waved around in front of the officer while he is talking to them and most recruits miss this as they are more concerned with the talk and keeping the parties apart.
This real life fatality was made into a training program at the RCMP depot in Regina. Most officers who enter into this scenario do not come out alive the first time around. The second time the scenario is different and most are much more aware. This is a little insight into why the police do things the way the do, they have found out first hand the hard way.
<EDIT> nor would I Yuli unless a suspect was failing to comply and was posing in a threatening manner.
[ December 05, 2005, 09:23 PM: Message edited by: MR2NR ]
A domestic dispute is one of the most deadly type of responses that a police officer will face (seconded only to roadside fatalities at vehicle stops). This is why the police always go with more than one person.
The scenario starts with 2 officers responding to a domestic in a trailer. Most recruits do very poorly in this scenario as it is a sensory overload.
The officers enter the trailer to find 3 people in the kitchen at the table, two people in the living room and one behind them in the bedroom. The person in the bedroom is brought out to keep in front of the officers, the two parties that are disputed are separated. The one party stays at the table with officer one and the second party is in the living room with party two. The entire time the police officer is gathering information from the two parties and they will compare notes later to decide what if any charges need to be pressed. The entire time, the two parties are yelling at each other and approaching each other.
All the while the officers are keeping them apart and talking to them. What the officer did not do was to clear the room of weapons and it was a fatal mistake as the officer in the kitchen was shot dead. IIRC, there was a knife on the table that was not removed (a big one), a baseball bat in the living room, any number of objects that can be thrown and the suspect in the kitchen with the gun that he had in his hands under the table. Matter of fact now that I think about it, the scenario plays out that the knife and the gun are waved around in front of the officer while he is talking to them and most recruits miss this as they are more concerned with the talk and keeping the parties apart.
This real life fatality was made into a training program at the RCMP depot in Regina. Most officers who enter into this scenario do not come out alive the first time around. The second time the scenario is different and most are much more aware. This is a little insight into why the police do things the way the do, they have found out first hand the hard way.
<EDIT> nor would I Yuli unless a suspect was failing to comply and was posing in a threatening manner.
[ December 05, 2005, 09:23 PM: Message edited by: MR2NR ]
12-05-2005, 08:32 PM
#56
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no good, filthy, rotten, corrupt, crooked, drug dealing/stealing, human rights violating, right to privacy violating, wife beating pigs are of no use to me. pigs are for the most part useless, overpaid chumpstains that are lower than dog crap. the only good cop i know is semi retired
12-06-2005, 08:27 AM
#58
MR2 you still have your head barried... the kids are already restrained on the floor and the cops are kicking them... that sounds right to you ??
First of all Iam sure the dip****s who said my sis was involved were getting pressured and probably knocked around... I doubt the info was voluntary... I believe the PO MADE THE GUNS UP to get the warrant... My sis had her reservations and apparently this is what her lawyer thinks also... and although the guys who went in might not have known that, it's still a police **** up.... there were NO NARCOTICS, there were NO GUNS... and sorry but if you believe having a bag of weed means you should be busted and charged with a crime you are an idiot sassmaster.... (of course you beleive current causes heat and not voltage.. [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img] LMAO! ) and no Iam not voting liberal, and I didn't vote liberal in the last two elections either... thanks for asking...
And um sorry but saying I must not know the skinney because I wasn't there is bull****... as you were not either... I know they busted in on a bunch of kids and kicked the **** out of em and didn't find anything they were looking for.... based on the word of an idiot with a past record of being an idiot, who they should have known was full of ****...
How many drug dealing gun toating 20yr old chicks do you know anyway ? ones that have no previous record to boot....
Why was there no additional investigation ????
Maybe if someone calls crimestoppers and tells em your grandma has terrorists in her basment because they don't like her... it'll be OK for the fuzz to bust in and kick the **** out of her ???
Awsome.. way to use reason and critical thinking guys...
The dog was a pit and Iam sure it was barking quite aggressivly... I wasn't there but my bet is they didn't have to shoot it... as if they couldn't subdue it any other way...
Infact, the dog shouldn't have been shot BECAUSE THEY SHOULDN"T HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE...
One final note is that I would feel just as strongly about this no matter who it was... this isn't just a rant because I have familly involved.... I see cops abusing power and making bad decisions all the time... but this takes the cake in alot of ways...
You guys can be as nieve as you like... its your tax dollars that were wasted, it's your tax dollars that will be wasted when it goes to trial... and it'll be your tax dollars that pay the vet and lawyer bills when this goes to civil court....
Glad they got those guns and drugs they didn't find off the street...
[ December 06, 2005, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: Haunz ]
First of all Iam sure the dip****s who said my sis was involved were getting pressured and probably knocked around... I doubt the info was voluntary... I believe the PO MADE THE GUNS UP to get the warrant... My sis had her reservations and apparently this is what her lawyer thinks also... and although the guys who went in might not have known that, it's still a police **** up.... there were NO NARCOTICS, there were NO GUNS... and sorry but if you believe having a bag of weed means you should be busted and charged with a crime you are an idiot sassmaster.... (of course you beleive current causes heat and not voltage.. [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img] LMAO! ) and no Iam not voting liberal, and I didn't vote liberal in the last two elections either... thanks for asking...
And um sorry but saying I must not know the skinney because I wasn't there is bull****... as you were not either... I know they busted in on a bunch of kids and kicked the **** out of em and didn't find anything they were looking for.... based on the word of an idiot with a past record of being an idiot, who they should have known was full of ****...
How many drug dealing gun toating 20yr old chicks do you know anyway ? ones that have no previous record to boot....
Why was there no additional investigation ????
Maybe if someone calls crimestoppers and tells em your grandma has terrorists in her basment because they don't like her... it'll be OK for the fuzz to bust in and kick the **** out of her ???
Awsome.. way to use reason and critical thinking guys...
The dog was a pit and Iam sure it was barking quite aggressivly... I wasn't there but my bet is they didn't have to shoot it... as if they couldn't subdue it any other way...
Infact, the dog shouldn't have been shot BECAUSE THEY SHOULDN"T HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE...
One final note is that I would feel just as strongly about this no matter who it was... this isn't just a rant because I have familly involved.... I see cops abusing power and making bad decisions all the time... but this takes the cake in alot of ways...
You guys can be as nieve as you like... its your tax dollars that were wasted, it's your tax dollars that will be wasted when it goes to trial... and it'll be your tax dollars that pay the vet and lawyer bills when this goes to civil court....
Glad they got those guns and drugs they didn't find off the street...
[ December 06, 2005, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: Haunz ]
