This thread deserves a big poo. [img]graemlins/boring.gif[/img]

 

/me has boner for page 12.

 

Well if they machined off the name and then did not want to spend extra money to polish it back up then that is where I see the black plastic back plate cover coming into play. </font>[/QUOTE]Compare the cost of painting the backplate, to the cost of fabricating and painting metal discs to be glued over the backs of the backplate, and I think you'll see why I'm thinking the way I am.

I do agree this thread isn't really headed anywhere, other than tabloid value, for most enthusiasts.

I (and a few others out there) have got a particular interest in the issue, having used Destijl as a buildhouse in the past for our own manufacturing - but more importantly, it's important to us to see how people react to these issues, because this sets a precident (like it or not) for establishing a "public tolerance threshhold" on both companies and buildhouses can conduct themselves.
I'm very interested for that reason, even though we personally don't actually use Destijl at this point.

That, and I'm always interested in the general psychology and personalities in car audio, and how people interpret and react, it's really interesting given the strong personalities.
I'm definitely glad that... how did Shaggy put it... "it wasn't me"

 

Well I was going to say something but I just read the whole thread (damn it is long, I'm tired now!) and everything has been said about 50 times so I'll just contribute to making your goal of 12 pages. [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img]

 

go 12 pages! lol... [img]graemlins/post.gif[/img]

 

w00t 12 pages!!!
This is definitely getting more than interesting now [img]graemlins/post.gif[/img]



[ October 08, 2003, 08:22 PM: Message edited by: chaos ]

 

I'm deleting most of my posts on this topic due to some people still thinking that ED has answers on this topic...they do NOT. So stop emailing 'em about it. I was only posting and reiterating stuff that had been said in public on the forums, none of my info was inside information. I just happened to stumble on the thread before anyone from Onyx found it (aka, before Scott had to edit his original replies)...

Try to help clear the air and see what happens?

 

Fever, thank you for the response. Actually I am an RE owner, and I have no intent to take my subs out of the box and knock off that ring to look and see if they have an Onyx logo on them or not. It's just not really important. Many people keep saying that they have bought recycled subs or they should have been sold as B stock. But that simply isn't the case. These aren't refurbished subs. They were never sold to a customer, they weren't re-coned, and they weren't put into use prior to RE placing the trim ring on them. They are/were brand new subwoofers that had never been used when they sold them. Now my question for the Onyx guys is how did they inspect every unit for tolerance unless the subs weren't fully assembled when they received them?


I worked for a company a couple of years ago who will remain nameless. We ran across a bunch of subs that were built to hold up till the end of the world and through ARMAGEDDON. They were built by a different and well known build house who builds subs for a lot of companies out there. Now that company had placed an order for a large number of subs but did not take delivery of them. So this build house was left with a full production run on three different sized subs. They sold them to us and OTHER COMPANIES to be rebadged and sold as their own product, and that build house continued to build the same sub thereafter for other companies. The only difference is that it simply wasn't discovered. Was anyone ripped off by that? No, they were brand new subwoofers just as they are in this particular case.

This has happened many times in the past with other build houses and it will happen again in the future. By calling them defective units it gives a company the opportunity to get out of a contract agreement if they want to have someone else build their subs. In a case like that the non-disclosure agreement would be worded as defective units or whatever the exact terminology is that was chosen. Now I'm not saying this is the case because I'm don't have any such information. This is purely a possibility and a thought that I formulated based on many years of experience in this industry.

Yes, I'm new to this board but have been involved with the 12 volt industry in many capacities over the last (**** I don't even want to say it) 16 years.

I don't have anything to prove it, just my own intuition. But I'd bet money that Onyx wanted to go down the street to another build house and used some lame excuse to call them defective to get out of a contract to purchase.

Those pictures first surfaced over a year ago. There were many people at that time who knew and it was pretty common knowledge among a fairly large crowd that these two subs shared many common parts. They were perfectly good motor assemblies and baskets and the idea of taking a loss on them to sell them as B-stock or far worse trash them is simply stupid from a manufacturing standpoint. They work perfectly somewhere else, put them to use. The subs aren't failing, they are performing extremely well, and are developing quite a substantial following in the SPL arena. If they were flawed or anything other then top notch performers then that wouldn't be the case. This is not a recent development. I never implied that it was an insider with either company. It was interesting that Chris only stated it was not anyone from RE though. He did not say it wasn't from ONYX. But that wasn't my suspicion anyway. My thoughts were that it was someone harboring a grudge for some unknown reason. That is what I meant by a malicious act.

The fact that it keeps being dug up after a year has passed is one of the things that I find most interesting. If your following this topic on more then one forum then you'll see that Onyx states they have received photos of subs where the logo was ground off or the NYX ground off. Now if the NYX is ground off and you popped off that cover by accident with no knowledge of this thread you'd think that it was simply part of the machining process and hence the need for that ring on the back to make it look pretty.

Either way rushing out to pop the ring off of a speaker that is working perfectly to see if it is "marked" just doesn't make sense. In my opinion Onyx inviting people to do this and send photos with a promised "you will be rewarded" is a sad tactic to try and gain customers. The labels on those back plates were covered permanently with an affixed ring. Legally that will qualify as "removing" the logo as it is no longer viewable without damaging the subwoofer which is what your doing when you break the glue seal on that ring. The logos were permanently removed from view unless they unit is damaged.

My immediate thought is that if you were concerned about your sub before, then you may be in even worse shape now. That could be grounds to void a warranty, even though I don't believe that the guys at RE would do that.

Well, that's my two cents worth. Of course that won't buy a piece of bubble gum anymore and unless you convert from US to Canadian. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ October 08, 2003, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: Who'sYourDaddy ]

 

i cant believe i missed the top of page 12 by 1 post!!! btw, nice pic rob...lol